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Sat, 03 November 2007 10:35  |
 The Unicorn
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I know the story has quite a ways to go before the summer but I was thinking what sort of non-typical summer jobs could the Whateley students get. A few I thought of:
Tennyo: Satelite delivery, Industrial welder, Radioactive waste disposal
Hank: Crane.
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| Summer jobs [message #11254] |
Sat, 03 November 2007 17:02  |
Cnidaria
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Doesn't Tennyou already have a job as a power plant? But Hank would probably do great in construction. And how about Fey... landscape artist? Or Ayla ... day trader, or something wall-streetish like that?
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| Summer jobs [message #11255] |
Sat, 03 November 2007 17:28 |
The Unicorn
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| Cnidaria |
Doesn't Tennyou already have a job as a power plant? But Hank would probably do great in construction. And how about Fey... landscape artist? Or Ayla ... day trader, or something wall-streetish like that?
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No Tennyo doesn't have a job, although she does make some money selling anti matter it doesn't take her any significant amount of time to do so (and given the kids something to do OTHER then find trouble is at least half the reason parents encourage them to find a summer job.
I could see Ayla as an intern of some sort but do keep in mind she's 15 so day trader wouldn't really work.
As for Fey I'm not sure if that would work when she doesn't have control of her magic and once she does it would be a waste of her talents. Although I suppose if she had enough control to be sure not to let out goblins when she wasn't doing magic that could work, except that while she'd do it to a much higher standard that would be basically the typical "mow the lawn and trim the bushes" job any of us might have done as teenagers.
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| Summer jobs [message #11256] |
Sat, 03 November 2007 19:54 |
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Sir Lee
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Fey already has a job. She's a model, one that the camera supposedly "loves." No reason why she couldn't impress those guys at Ford or Elite during the summer. Not that she really needs the money; apparently both her parents earn good salaries.
The Sinclair twins will probably be kept busy by the Luigi & Mario... sorry, Stan and Morrie. Being a ward of the state and all, it's likely that her permanent residence now *is* Whateley, and the maintenance crew really like her help. Or Jade could be doing something in that company where she is a stockholder...
Tennyo... hmm, that's an interesting question. She had a hard time holding down part-time jobs in Whateley. And, for different reasons than Jade, it's likely that she will be spending the summer at school. Maybe by summer the administration has found some kind of job to leverage her unique talents?
Hank might get an internship with STAR League; after all, he's dating Lily, and if that lasts until the summer, an internship would be a prime (and transparent) excuse for her parents to know him better.
Toni could work as a sparring partner at some dojo (I assume that she couldn't actually teach due to her age and lack of credentials). She would frustrate many a black-belt, too...
Chou... I'm assuming the Immortals have some sort of learning experience planned for Chou. Maybe she will go to China or something.
Jamie... Gabriella might have a few jobs for Jamie. You know, locating oil, gold, this kind of stuff. Maybe s/he will even *meet* Gabriella this time. It would probably involve some traveling around too.
Ayla... well, she doesn't need the kind of money that a summer job could give her. But an internship in something that interests her would not be out of character. The thing is, *WHAT* are her interests? We don't know much of her likes and dislikes. She might be interested in high finance, true; or she might decide she's an artist.
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| Summer jobs [message #11257] |
Sat, 03 November 2007 19:54 |
Belgarion213
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I could see Toni working as a teaching assistant at a Dojo however I am not sure if she would be considered old enough for it. I've not been a dojo in years and forgot most of what I learned there.
Hank I agree would be good in construction
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| Summer jobs [message #11258] |
Sat, 03 November 2007 20:10 |
The Unicorn
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| Belgarion213 |
I could see Toni working as a teaching assistant at a Dojo however I am not sure if she would be considered old enough for it. I've not been a dojo in years and forgot most of what I learned there.
Hank I agree would be good in construction
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I've met teaching assistants who were 15-16 years old and heard of younger ones. The main requirement for a teaching assistant in a Dojo is that the person in charge considers them qualified. If the Dojo teaches in some formal style then obviously the Teaching assistant would also have to possess a 'belt' of sufficiently high tanking to get the students to listen to her.
quote="Sir Lee"]Fey already has a job. She's a model, one that the camera supposedly "loves." No reason why she couldn't impress those guys at Ford or Elite during the summer. Not that she really needs the money; apparently both her parents earn good salaries.
The Sinclair twins will probably be kept busy by the Luigi & Mario... sorry, Stan and Morrie. Being a ward of the state and all, it's likely that her permanent residence now *is* Whateley, and the maintenance crew really like her help. Or Jade could be doing something in that company where she is a stockholder...
Tennyo... hmm, that's an interesting question. She had a hard time holding down part-time jobs in Whateley. And, for different reasons than Jade, it's likely that she will be spending the summer at school. Maybe by summer the administration has found some kind of job to leverage her unique talents?
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Good points. As for the last that's why I suggested Satelite delivery. There are bound to be all sorts of groups who'd be willing to pay Tennyo to deliver their satelite to the vicinity of the required orbit (she could get pretty close with a hand held GPS unit, at least for LEO
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| Summer jobs [message #11259] |
Sat, 03 November 2007 20:59 |
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Sir Lee
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Some more thoughts on Fey's career as a model...
True, I don't think she actually has the mindset to make it a full-time job. And that could "lack of commitment" might displease the guys at the top agencies (there are literally thousand of beautiful teens fighting for a job).
However, if she DOES get noticed (and, with her exotic, unnatural beauty, she's likely to), her limited availability just *might* end up working in her favor, driving her fees up. And differently from most models, she's in no hurry: she has CENTURIES ahead of her, so she's not worried about milking her beauty while it lasts. She can afford to pace herself, be choosy about clients (only eco-friendly ones, please), and avoid overexposition.
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| Summer jobs [message #11260] |
Sat, 03 November 2007 21:16 |
XaltatunOfAcheron
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| Sir Lee |
Fey already has a job. She's a model, one that the camera supposedly "loves." No reason why she couldn't impress those guys at Ford or Elite during the summer. Not that she really needs the money; apparently both her parents earn good salaries.
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I think Aunghadhail will have something to say about what she does over the summer. I'm not at all sure what she'll say, but that's mostly because I don't remember gutter elvish. (Or at least the equivalent in High Elvish).
| Sir Lee |
The Sinclair twins will probably be kept busy by the Luigi & Mario... sorry, Stan and Morrie. Being a ward of the state and all, it's likely that her permanent residence now *is* Whateley, and the maintenance crew really like her help.
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And there's a lot of construction work to do, after Halloween.
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Ayla... well, she doesn't need the kind of money that a summer job could give her. But an internship in something that interests her would not be out of character. The thing is, *WHAT* are her interests? We don't know much of her likes and dislikes. She might be interested in high finance, true; or she might decide she's an artist.
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Now that she's got an author, we'll probably be finding out.
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| Re: Summer jobs [message #11262] |
Sun, 04 November 2007 05:52 |
The Unicorn
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What's Tennyo's weight limit? Besides, we know almost nothing about the Whateleyverse space capability, other than that there is a moon base, which suggests that satellite delivery might not be much of a problem.
And if it is, there are probably several devisors and TK supermen that already have it locked up.
Of course, there is one really big elephant in this living room. Do you really think that the Bastard won't take it as the best opportunity available to eliminate them?
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Unless the Whateley universe has a space elevator or something with equivalent capacity and cost per ton (and quite likely even then) Tennyo could be competitive in placing satelites in orbit. I agree the Gadgeteers and devisors have probably also come up with various mechanisms to do so but I expect there's room for Tennyo also. I doubt many TK supermen If at all will be doing this since taking Hank as an example even assuming he has the stamina to fly several hundred km he'd need a space suit and depending on the design either frequent stops to avoid the bends or lengthy depressurization before and after going up. We also don't know how resistant to radiation Hank or other pk supermen are and if they can't extend their PK field around a space suit they'd have to worry about it being punctured.
All that said if tennyo takes hand delivering satelites to space I doubt she'd be the first or last to do it.
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| Re: Summer jobs [message #11263] |
Sun, 04 November 2007 09:22 |
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Sir Lee
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| The Unicorn |
Unless the Whateley universe has a space elevator or something with equivalent capacity and cost per ton (and quite likely even then) Tennyo could be competitive in placing satelites in orbit. I agree the Gadgeteers and devisors have probably also come up with various mechanisms to do so but I expect there's room for Tennyo also. I doubt many TK supermen If at all will be doing this since taking Hank as an example even assuming he has the stamina to fly several hundred km he'd need a space suit and depending on the design either frequent stops to avoid the bends or lengthy depressurization before and after going up. We also don't know how resistant to radiation Hank or other pk supermen are and if they can't extend their PK field around a space suit they'd have to worry about it being punctured.
All that said if tennyo takes hand delivering satelites to space I doubt she'd be the first or last to do it.
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Bends / depressurization is a non-issue. You take Hank and put him in a space suit. Set the internal pressure as 1 atm (same as outside). Suit appears loose (deflated). He takes flight and goes up. Pressure outside drops, suit *appears* to inflate, but keeps inside as 1atm, same as on the surface. Goes to LEO, outside pressure is zero or as near to it to not make a difference, inside pressure keeps at 1 atm. He goes down (slowly as not to burn the suit), same happens in reverse. End result: Hank spent the whole trip at 1 atm or close to it. Even if the internal pressure was to be lowered during the trip to save oxygen/air and lessen the tension on the suit's fabric, the trip (both up and down) should take several hours, and the pressure change could be gradual enough to make the whole depressurization thing unnecessary.
Real issues for most TK supermen would be:
1. Lenght of the trip. Current EVA suits are not made for more than a couple hours autonomy. Of course, Hank *could* carry large oxygen tanks, but the suit would become so cumbersome as to look like a small space ship itself.
2. Radiation exposure.
3. Suit integrity, both from space debris and reentry.
Yes, Tennyo apparently wouldn't have any of those problems.
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| Re: Summer jobs [message #11264] |
Sun, 04 November 2007 09:54 |
XaltatunOfAcheron
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| Sir Lee |
Bends / depressurization is a non-issue.
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Right. Although constant volume joints are a design issue.
| Sir Lee |
Real issues for most TK supermen would be:
1. Lenght of the trip. Current EVA suits are not made for more than a couple hours autonomy. Of course, Hank *could* carry large oxygen tanks, but the suit would become so cumbersome as to look like a small space ship itself.
2. Radiation exposure.
3. Suit integrity, both from space debris and reentry.
Yes, Tennyo apparently wouldn't have any of those problems.
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Why limit oneself to technology in our lane of reality?
Consider that Tennyo could do garbage collection, and there is a lot of garbage in near earth orbit that would be good to collect and dispose of.
Also consider that there are undoubtedly devisors out there who could do a very good space suit and space drive combo that would put current tech to shame.
Following on that, a gadgeteer / devisor could do space repairs, which is probably a much more lucrative field. Why replace a satellite if you can resupply, restock and repair the existing ones?
In fact, if Sted didn't have other fish to fry, she might consider it. Now that I think of it, she may do it anyway; it provides cover for what else she's doing, and she has the space bug real bad. She's also piling up brownie points with the FAA.
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| Re: Summer jobs [message #11266] |
Sun, 04 November 2007 14:02 |
The Unicorn
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| Sir Lee |
| The Unicorn |
Unless the Whateley universe has a space elevator or something with equivalent capacity and cost per ton (and quite likely even then) Tennyo could be competitive in placing satelites in orbit. I agree the Gadgeteers and devisors have probably also come up with various mechanisms to do so but I expect there's room for Tennyo also. I doubt many TK supermen If at all will be doing this since taking Hank as an example even assuming he has the stamina to fly several hundred km he'd need a space suit and depending on the design either frequent stops to avoid the bends or lengthy depressurization before and after going up. We also don't know how resistant to radiation Hank or other pk supermen are and if they can't extend their PK field around a space suit they'd have to worry about it being punctured.
All that said if tennyo takes hand delivering satelites to space I doubt she'd be the first or last to do it.
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Bends / depressurization is a non-issue. You take Hank and put him in a space suit. Set the internal pressure as 1 atm (same as outside). Suit appears loose (deflated). He takes flight and goes up. Pressure outside drops, suit *appears* to inflate, but keeps inside as 1atm, same as on the surface. Goes to LEO, outside pressure is zero or as near to it to not make a difference, inside pressure keeps at 1 atm. He goes down (slowly as not to burn the suit), same happens in reverse. End result: Hank spent the whole trip at 1 atm or close to it. Even if the internal pressure was to be lowered during the trip to save oxygen/air and lessen the tension on the suit's fabric, the trip (both up and down) should take several hours, and the pressure change could be gradual enough to make the whole depressurization thing unnecessary.
Real issues for most TK supermen would be:
1. Lenght of the trip. Current EVA suits are not made for more than a couple hours autonomy. Of course, Hank *could* carry large oxygen tanks, but the suit would become so cumbersome as to look like a small space ship itself.
2. Radiation exposure.
3. Suit integrity, both from space debris and reentry.
Yes, Tennyo apparently wouldn't have any of those problems.
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You are assuming a 'hard' space suit such as the ones NASA astronauts went to the moon with as opposed to 'soft' space suit such as the ones they wear in the space shuttle or those being considered for the ISS. A 'Hard' suits advantages are:
-you don't worry about bends
-provides some protection from blows (although unlike some claims no where near enough to be significant in the event of a micro meteor impact)
-doesn't rupture as easily.
It's disadvantages are:
-Must be individually tailored to the person with little or no allowances for the person to grow or change (gain/lose weight)
-requires expensive, precision machined constant flow valves.
-cannot be repaired easily(other then in the sense of slapping an emergency patch over a hole or tear)
-as a result of the above are VERY expensive (Which I suspect is the primary reason NASA went with them back in the 60s)
-is very cumbersome and clumsy and significantly reduces mobility (in the case of a TK superman they'd have to train to make sure they didn't exceed the movement allowed by the suit as they have sufficient strength to do so, rupturing the suit)
-requires at least one assistant to assemble and put on(or rather climb in)
In contrast a soft suit's advantages are:
-Very cheap
-requires no more fitting then a wet suit(which it resembles)
-does not restrict movement
-relatively light weight(although admittedly the TK supermen wouldn't care about this)
-does not have many moving parts and those it does are relativly simple and with large(for space industry) tolerances
-allows higher (theoretical) chance of survival in the event of a suit rupture.
-does not require assistance to put on.
Disadvantages:
-allows the risk of bends
-significantly more vulnerable to punctures
-does not provide any protection from blows
I admit I'm prejudiced in favor of 'soft' suits but I doubt many private individuals would afford 'hard' suits even once a much larger presence in space and competition forced their simplification and streamlined construction and almost all who did would be construction workers or other people who'd value the protection against low speed impacts and/or work around a lot of sharp edges.
The Unicorn
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| Re: Summer jobs [message #11267] |
Sun, 04 November 2007 15:50 |
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Sir Lee
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| The Unicorn |
You are assuming a 'hard' space suit such as the ones NASA astronauts went to the moon with as opposed to 'soft' space suit such as the ones they wear in the space shuttle or those being considered for the ISS.
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No, what I *AM* assuming is basic physics and biology. Sea-level air pressure is (by definition) 1atm. Space air pressure is zero. Any value for the air pressure inside a space suit is probably going to be somewhere in the middle -- there's no point in making a space suit with pressure *higher* than sea-level air pressure. Working with a lower pressure, however, offer a few advantages -- gaskets are less strained, for one. There's also savings to be had in the total volume of gasses carried. But there is a limit for that, too, so the pressure inside the suit wont' be *too* lower than 1atm -- lungs won't work well otherwise.
(I'm aware that there are some suit designs, still experimental, that restrict actual air pressurization to some portions of the body, substituting pressure from elastic fabrics for the limbs. Principle is the same: perceived pressure for the occupant never falls to zero)
So, we're talking about a *gradual* lowering of the pressure the Biological Launch Vehicle (that's the kind of name bureaucrats would stick on Tennyo or any other mutant they use for this) would perceive while ascending to orbit -- up to a point. Somewhere around the height of the Everest -- maybe lower, depending on the exact parameters involved -- the pressure would reach the minimum acceptable level for continued health of the suit occupant. From there upwards, suit pressure is roughly constant. That's assuming that you *allow* the internal pressure to fall as fast as the external pressure; no reason why you couldn't delay the pressure lowering.
Now, let's remember who we're talking about. These are flying *bricks.* They *already* fly fairly high. *Without* pressure suits. And they are not getting the bends. So, any brick who can fly to the top of Everest under his/her own power and not be bothered by the pressure change shouldn't have any problem, regarding pressure, that is, to go into orbit with a pressure suit.
In fact, the danger of getting decompression sickness (barring a suit rupture, of course) is actually *less* than they have in flying around in atmosphere. Reasons:
1. The suit will place a lower boundary to the experienced pressure, a precaution they don't experiment in "shirtsleeves" flight.
2. They are going to be *loaded* with weight. One can assume they will be rising *slower* than they can do if unencumbered.
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