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| Belle / BELTANE [message #746] |
Fri, 18 March 2005 03:24  |
 eddie
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Registered: February 2005
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Someone (I forget who) commented that Belle's power of creating & moulding ECTOPLASM would be useless in a fight.
Here are my thoughts on Belle :-
If that is all Belle can do , why is she attending Whateley because from her intro she had got that down to fine art ,before being discovered by the GREY WIZARD.
Her Codename BELTANE suggests her talents lie in the field of Witchcraft This is Reinforced when CADUCEUS asks her to start the class in the BASICs of MAGIC so she can attend to FEY.
Further everybody knows the pecking order in a school is a fierce competition and it seems to me that Belle is pretty high up in that order instead of at the bottom which if that was her only power would be her place
Also if she can give hothead HYPOLITA pause then HYP must know something that the freshmen of Team KIMBA do not.
I see her as Poe Cottage's counter to HEKATE
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| Belle / BELTANE [message #747] |
Fri, 18 March 2005 05:14  |
Belgarion213
Messages: 353
Registered: March 2005
Location: Melbourne, Australia |
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Um. Why do you keep All-capsing the charecters names?
As for her power Im not sure if its only illusinoary or if she can create solid bjects. Remember if it was purely illusionary she would not have changed gender because of the power, it must have at least some physical properties which she can use to fight with.
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| Belle / BELTANE [message #748] |
Fri, 18 March 2005 05:32 |
eddie
Messages: 302
Registered: February 2005
Location: Chesterfield Derbyshire E... |
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I All Cap Characters names to make them easily distinguishable from the prose. Good thought about whether she can solidify her Illusions if she can this takes this power to a new level
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| Belle / BELTANE [message #753] |
Fri, 18 March 2005 09:11 |
eddie
Messages: 302
Registered: February 2005
Location: Chesterfield Derbyshire E... |
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Sorry Anome I was just looking for a peg to hang this thread on & and I could not remember the Exact Quote.
BTW Another reason I think she is Magical is She spotted FEY'S Glamour Straight Away
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| Beltane and Ectoplasm [message #2552] |
Fri, 08 July 2005 11:17 |
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First and foremost, as Belle's creator, it is very gratifying to see this level of interest in her. That being said, onto the points discussed.
First, ECTOPLASM: Ectoplasm is the theoretical stuff that Ghosts are supposed to be made of. Nobody seems to really know or agree on what it is, or what it does, but it is agreed that it can be shaped and animated. In short, Belle can make almost ANYTHING out of it. Her constructs are short lived, and there's a real power cost to anything that has a real punch, so she has to be very creative. Her ectoplasm does affect biological processes, which is how she can affect her own physique, and why her pies could affect Toni and Hippopam- her Hippolyte. But, real changes take a long time, and Belle is very careful to keep her personal illusion going 24/7. She's been at it for years, during that all important adolescent shift, so there is real physiological change there.
Next, POWER LEVEL: In terms of Raw Power, Belle is a middle-weight. It's just that her power is so damn VERSATILE, and is coupled to a sneaky, truly devious sense of humor. Also, there's the fact that if she knows that you have a weak spot, she can exploit it for all that it's worth.
BELLE VS. HEKATE: In terms of Raw Power, both are middle-weights. The reason that Hekate is so feared, is that she has the advantages of the classic high school bully: a nose for the weaknesses of others, a willingness to hurt anyone any time, an ability to descend to levels that others wouldn't, and a vindictive streak that you could put a full sized Mall up on. In a knock down, drag out fight, Hekate isn't that much. It's the waiting for her to strike from out of left field that's the killer.
'ADOPTING' BELLE: Well, thing is, I'm very fond of Belle. She was one of the possibles POV characters that I came with, when we first were kludging Whateley together. As for letting another writer take over, and craft a series of stories around her, well, it would depend on the writer, their style, and the direction that they wanted to take her in.
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| Belle / BELTANE [message #2553] |
Fri, 08 July 2005 13:02 |
Darkice
Messages: 298
Registered: March 2005 |
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so HEKATE not all that powerfull ? from the way the alpha were acting i got the impression she was extreamly powerfull. oh well bluffing about what you can do is just as effect as having that level of power.
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| Re: Beltane and Ectoplasm [message #2554] |
Fri, 08 July 2005 14:41 |
Liliandra
Messages: 66
Registered: January 2005
Location: Floating around somewhere... |
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| Bek D Corbin |
'ADOPTING' BELLE: Well, thing is, I'm very fond of Belle. She was one of the possibles POV characters that I came with, when we first were kludging Whateley together. As for letting another writer take over, and craft a series of stories around her, well, it would depend on the writer, their style, and the direction that they wanted to take her in.
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In other words, you have permission to write a fanfic on her and send it to the authers. We'll thrash it about amung ourselves then let Bek have the final say. 
As for Hekate not being powerfull. Just like Belle, Hekies magic is pretty versitile as well, coupled with her personality, she has the potential to take down just about anyone who isn't willing to squash her like a bug at the first meeting. I mean lets face it, you beat her up front, she'll just start striking from the shadows and wearing you down.
When in danger, or in doubt; run in cirlces, scream and shout.
"I said a Bow-string, not a G.... oh nevermind." Night Elf Archer, WarCraft III
Mal: You wanna run this ship?"
Jayne: Yes.
Mal: ... Well... you can't.
Serenity
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| Belle / BELTANE [message #2555] |
Fri, 08 July 2005 15:20 |
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Babs
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Registered: January 2005
Location: Left coast |
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| Darkice |
so HEKATE not all that powerfull ? from the way the alpha were acting...
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Well, there's two ways to look at it. From the GOD VIEW (which Bek is providing here), we get the absolute knowledge that Hekate is mid-rank.
On the other hand, let's take the view from the trenches. From JADE'S VIEWPOINT (which I feel qualified to give), there's the alphas. The Don, Kodiak, The Don's inner circle. Tansy. All of them walk gingerly around Hekate. Thuban wouldn't even consider a hit on Hekate. (Was that personal morality, that he wouldn't do a hit? Was he just terrified of her? Who can tell?) We know that she's bad Juju. We know that powerful people are scared of her. And we know that she was at least peripherally involved in the whole Cavalier/Skybolt thing, which (apparently) turned a pair of mid-power foes into total mind-slaves (or so it would seem). OF COURSE Jade would consider Hekate to be MAJOR BAD NEWS.
But as Bek mentions, there's this thing about bullies. Sometimes, when you get to the real fight, the bully folds at the first punch. Sometimes. Unfortunately, there's also the opposite case. You test the bully and find out that they're a tough, vicious psychopath who (now that they've been set off) beats you to death.
How many people put it to the test?
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| Belle / BELTANE [message #2575] |
Sat, 09 July 2005 14:23 |
Mark Reed
Messages: 227
Registered: April 2005 |
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This is just reinforcing Bab's message from a slightly altered angle.
There is a lot to be said for reputation. If you become known as someone nobody should mess with, people behave differently. If you're smart (or just accustomed to manipulating people) you can use this to your advantage and develop body language to reinforce the cycle. When someone does decide to go up against you, reputation can still work on a subconcious level.
I was playing a chess tournament a few years back. At the time, I was a high school senior going up against a munchkin who (by his size) was probably in fifth or sixth grade. We both had polo shirts with special emblems and other things about our mutual dress meant to impress the oponent. However, he had a board (which we were using) that had writing on the side signifying that he had come in first place at a tournament somewhere. I became so unnerved by the fact that I was going up against a tournament winner that I lost the match. It was only about 15 minutes later that I realized he wasn't actually very good. If I had concentrated I could have wiped the floor with him, but I had ended up defeating myself because I spent more time worrying than thinking through the moves.
The most embarrasing part of the story is that I was captaining a team which had been trained for the last two years to use such psychological tricks to our advantage. It's akin to teaching a beginning chess player how to play to fool's mate (a four move checkmate with bishop and queen) and then immediately falling to the same trick in your next match.
So yeah, reputation matters. *chagrinned smile*
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| Request Regarding Beltaine [message #3051] |
Sat, 30 July 2005 00:36 |
Mark Reed
Messages: 227
Registered: April 2005 |
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I just had a thought on Belle, and since this *is* the Beltaine thread...
I've never seen Belle get really serious in a fight. We've seen her sense of humor, and we've seen her fight more seriously in the Monkey King's raid on Poe, but we've never seen Belle get bad-ass on anyone.
Would one of the authors find a way to let us see Belle at her most impressive? Something Matrix-like. Not the dodging bullets bit, but the looking cool while fighting type of thing. Like when Yoda taunted Count Dooku in Star Wars ep 2.
Thanks!
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| Belle / BELTANE [message #3067] |
Sat, 30 July 2005 15:35 |
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Maggie_Finson
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Registered: January 2005
Location: somewhere in Kansas |
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Okay, Bek has pretty well defined Belle as to what she can and can't do. Middle of the Road? Probably. Respected and even feared? You bet. Beltane has been around for a while and established both a reputation and connections. I might also add that she is learning to make use of REAL magic, hence her taking over the class for Caduceus when the doctor was examining Fey that day. In short, if you aren't ready for a pretty nasty fight, don't mess with Beltane.
Hekate -- She is a bully, vicious, sneaky, very observant, enjoys cruelty for it's own sake and lets no chance to use that last one go by untouched. She is subtle, sneaky, and probably at least a borderline psychopath. Would you want to make someone like that angry with you?
I AM the goddess of Chaos! Worship me! Just don't expect the results you wanted.
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