| Tennyo: Or what's in your past? [message #10488] |
Tue, 18 September 2007 07:38   |
 Belgarion213
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Registered: March 2005
Location: Melbourne, Australia |
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I think its mentioned somewhat that the reason that Tenryo regens so well, aside from her physiology, is the fact that she, like Sara, exists on multiple levels of reality simultaneously. As has been said if she is injured or even disintegrated on one level, say Whatley Land, then she just pops up as the rest of her body is not harmed at all and recreates her body. Or something like that. To really hurt her or kill her you would need to strike at her on all the levels of reality that she exists on at the same time. That would be very difficult indeed.
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| Tennyo: Or what's in your past? [message #10494] |
Tue, 18 September 2007 14:32 |
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Sir Lee
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Registered: May 2005
Location: São Paulo, Brazil |
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I'm PROBABLY wrong, but...
The way I have been looking at the Star Stalker thing, she's not exactly a free agent -- she's more like the embodiment of some universal forces, something that *needs* to exist in some level in order to "fix" some aspects of the existence. That is, something like the ANTROPOMORPHIC PERSONIFICATIONS in the Discworld. Or Galactus. Or, looking closer to home, a cosmic parallel to the Handmaid of the Tao...
If you look at those dreams/flashbacks Tennyo had a while ago, well, there were more than a few hints there. The Stalker was working to destroy some civilization or other -- but she behaved like she wasn't doing that out of choice, just because she had to.
A side issue: if we are to believe that those dreams are representative of Tennyo's powers, she eventually will be able to teleport over planetary distances.
Don't call me Shirley. You will surely make me surly.
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Sent from my Bugs Industries® bPhone™
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| Tennyo: Or what's in your past? [message #10509] |
Wed, 19 September 2007 09:52 |
The Unicorn
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Registered: July 2007 |
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I believe you're right about that. I do remember reading that in the other stories.
If that truly is the case, then she would be linked or ingrained so deeply into the fabric of the universe the only two ways to truly kill her would be to (1) destroy the universe or (edit - maybe even the multiverse), (2) find a way to completely cut her off from the Star Stalker's influence, then disintegrate her. Of those two ways, I'm not sure the second one would work.
To my thinking this pretty much makes her a teenage version of a god (or demon). Since we don't know too much yet about the Star Stalker except that it's given Jade a form of a demon mark, it may be possible that there is demonic influence. I also believe one of the canon authors wrote that not all demons are 'evil', that some of them were guardians of reality or something like that. I'll have to go back through the stories to find the quote.
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Killing the Star Stalker might be impossible much like Killing Sarah is. However destroying their connection with this plans of reality by destroying their physical body.
I'm really not sure where the theory that Tennyo was disintegrated by the explosion came from. A few things you should consider:
-Total disintegration was the one thing the ARC researchers believed would kill Sarah (her regen ability was so powerful they thought she could survive anything else)
-Tennyo's sword and blasts are in effect confined thermonuclear explosions. The ones we've seen her use are much smaller then any fusion device the military has but the same principal so while a large enough blast might kill her body there's no reason to suspect she'd be hurt by the thermal bloom or radiation.
-When destroying killbot she drew energy from his destruction. There is no reason she couldn't do the same with a nuclear explosion (although admittedly very little of the mass involved in such an explosion is actually destroyed (okay converted to energy, not destroyed)
-Any blast that left behind 'rubble' rather then trintite or dust particles and gas would not disintegrate a human being, it might kill them but not disintegrate the body (given sufficient temperatures it might vaporise them but that's not something Tennyo would have to worry about
The Unicorn
P.S
A while back everyone was taking it for granted that Tennyo wouldn't have much difficulty surviving in the Center of the Earth, or if thrown into the sun. Now suddenly you're assuming she was disintegrated by a small tactical nuke?
The Unicorn
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| Tennyo: Or what's in your past? [message #10511] |
Wed, 19 September 2007 10:47 |
storyreader2005
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Registered: July 2005
Location: Ohio |
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Another explanation could be that whatever "flinched" was the barrier or entity that tried to seal the star stalker (or her power) out of this universe in the first place.
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| Tennyo: Or what's in your past? [message #10514] |
Wed, 19 September 2007 12:03 |
The Unicorn
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Registered: July 2007 |
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That was me. On rereading that section I decided that it was more likely that she simply teleported out to somewhere currently undefined where she regenerated.
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Why assume she teleported/disintegrated/did anything other then merely regenerate the damage from the blast? Even if it was a nuke neither the radiation nor the lack of breathable atmosphere would bother Tennyo.
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I'm not sure who "everyone" is.
On rereading, I've got the impression that the Star Stalker is nowhere near as big as I though it was. It flinched several times...
Xaltatun
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The assertion was made a couple of times and no one questioned it (even before the thread drifted off). That gave the issue the appearance of a consensus
The Unicorn
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| Tennyo: Or what's in your past? [message #10548] |
Sun, 23 September 2007 05:36 |
thtiger
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Registered: June 2007 |
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First off. Fantastic chapter. Chapters like this are the reason I love the Whateley series and keep coming back for more.
I did have some problems with the story as a result of my own personal world view, but that did nothing to stop my enjoyment of it. I guess my main problem was with Frisk. While he is an employee of the agency, and the control for Tennyo's parents, that did not explain to me why he had such authority.
I know nothing about the inner working of such a place, but I can't help but think that your average control is the equivilent of a cubicle worker. They don't set policy. Now the fact that his agents are the top agents might give him some status, it also seems that it would also limit his in-house power as they would not require much in the way of looking after. They are in-house agents, well motivated and very skilled. They do not need the control of say, a double agent who you can never really trust.
If the story were still open to modification I'd be suggesting that he is in fact a high level pencil pusher who has elbowed his way into the Tennyo situation because like all parasites he's attracted to a good payoff. Recruiting Tennyo and being in charge of her would give him a very signfigant level of power inside the agency, especially if he was the only one she'd listen to. How he could imagine that would come about is a sign that he really has no idea of how to deal with people you can't bully and that while he's reconized her potential, he has not considered the consequences it.
Not putting that very well I'm afraid.
I'd like to make a suggestion about General Manning. I'd like to see him put in charge of a task force who's job is to monitor and protect Tennyo and do his best to see that she stays on the side of the angels, and to be in position to act in the best way if she does not.
I'm not fond of the Government, of any country. But I don't fall into the trap of thinking that everyone in them is a short sighted idiot who can only think of their own selfish goals. There has to be people who love their country and who are competent. Look at Nuke Sub commanders. Awesome power, with very little outside control when they are on station.
So I have to think that once the report on what happened here filters through to the competent people, and that will happen quickly, they will act to try and control the situation.
And of course they will consider killing her. But they have to be smart enough to realize that they do not at the moment have a method that can be assured of doing so. And failing to kill her would be far worse than anything that could result from not trying to kill her.
The only way to control Tennyo is to earn her loyality. Being her friend and someone she trusts is the only way to have any leverage over her actions.
General Manning already has a relation with her, and to a certain degree has her trust. It would be nice to see a competent person standing between her and the idiots who can not understand that their normal methods will not work on her. Someone with enough rank to slap down a lot of the idiots, but still with a low enough rank that he has to move carefully and people can still try to do end runs around him.
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| Re: Tennyo's Mass [message #10557] |
Sun, 23 September 2007 20:37 |
Coral
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Registered: May 2007 |
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| XaltatunOfAcheron |
| The Unicorn |
In Christmas Crisis the scientists claim what she does should only be possible if she had the mass of a neutron star. Since Tennyo seems to have control of her inertia and gravity (or their effects at any rate) on a subconscious level it occurs to me that it's quite possible she HAS the mass of a neutron star (assuming of course the term 'mass' has a meaning separate from it's effect on gravity and inertia)
The Unicorn
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I'd say they're grasping at straws. I've got enough experience with scientists grasping at straws to not put too much confidence in what they're saying.
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bit late, but from context, I disagree. Delarose seemed to have heard the phrase "it makes perfect sense if" enough times that it is the standard reaction of all the scientists, confirmed by his friend. That implies that they've got the theory for what happened, and the calculations, they just don't want to believe the results.
So it really does make perfect sense if one assumes she has the mass of a neutron star. 
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| Tennyo: Or what's in your past? [message #10560] |
Sun, 23 September 2007 23:48 |
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Archangel
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Registered: April 2005 |
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If she does several impossible things, like absorbing radiation and the like, I have to wonder if she is trying to hide, or think sneaky does she absorb Radar, and visual light? Or just bend it around it.
Might explain how she avoided being spotted traveling cross country.
Regards.
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
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| Tennyo: Or what's in your past? [message #10561] |
Mon, 24 September 2007 00:20 |
The Unicorn
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Registered: July 2007 |
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| Archangel |
If she does several impossible things, like absorbing radiation and the like, I have to wonder if she is trying to hide, or think sneaky does she absorb Radar, and visual light? Or just bend it around it.
Might explain how she avoided being spotted traveling cross country.
Regards.
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Even if a human being was highly RF reflective they'd still have a very low RADAR cross section. There's no reason to assume there was anything more then that involved in the fact she wasn't spotted.
The Unicorn
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