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Re: Story idea [message #21049 is a reply to message #18650 ] Tue, 06 January 2009 13:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Maybe not entirely the right place for this, but I had a weird dream last night. Basic idea was that Santa really exists in the Whateley universe (one of the rules is belief equals reality) and there's a LOT of young children who believe in Santa. Anyway, the three little witches set up a trap to catch Santa on his Christmas deliveries and extort (you guessed it) Essence from him.


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Re: Corbin's Orphanage for Abandoned Story/Universe Ideas [message #22023 is a reply to message #3943 ] Wed, 14 January 2009 04:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
tensai  is currently offline tensai
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Bit of an odd idea, but here goes.

We all know about magic circles, drawn by mages of all kinds to focus or contain magical energy, effects, and creatures.

Now, look at Saturn. Mighty big ring there, aye? What if Saturn didn't have a ring in the past, and someone put one there? What might that big circle contain or lead to?

For some reason, the Caregivers universe seemed a likely candidate for this gem.


"It took her some time to accept that with such wings, her soul would never soar--but the fact that she could kick a man's lungs out through his spine was ultimately some small consolation." -ursulav
Re: Corbin's Orphanage for Abandoned Story/Universe Ideas [message #22025 is a reply to message #22023 ] Wed, 14 January 2009 04:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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tensai wrote on Wed, 14 January 2009 17:18

Bit of an odd idea, but here goes.

We all know about magic circles, drawn by mages of all kinds to focus or contain magical energy, effects, and creatures.

Now, look at Saturn. Mighty big ring there, aye? What if Saturn didn't have a ring in the past, and someone put one there? What might that big circle contain or lead to?

For some reason, the Caregivers universe seemed a likely candidate for this gem.


As a containment for Cronus? Greek legends weren't really clear with what was done to him after Zeus defeated him.


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Re: Corbin's Orphanage for Abandoned Story/Universe Ideas [message #22027 is a reply to message #22025 ] Wed, 14 January 2009 04:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Certainly a possibility. Say Saturn's rings contain large amounts of multi-isotopic handwavium, and ships start mining the rings. Now, the mages/gods/whomever who built this made it to last, with multiple redundancies... but with the ring mining, those begin to fail...


"It took her some time to accept that with such wings, her soul would never soar--but the fact that she could kick a man's lungs out through his spine was ultimately some small consolation." -ursulav
Re: Corbin's Orphanage for Abandoned Story/Universe Ideas [message #22040 is a reply to message #22027 ] Wed, 14 January 2009 10:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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could be something that the New Olympians would have to deal with, if it's Cronos. Perhaps the other Titans in the other ringed planets? (except Atlas, of course. He's cool)

I see a diabolical plot by a villainous scientist, to use the handwavium in the rings of Saturn for one of his plots, but he doesn't want to take the time to set up a proper mining operation, so he just sends out a scooper bot that takes a big chunk out of all the rings. Something is stirring in the clouds, sensing that the prison that has held it for so long has finally been breached...


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Re: Corbin's Orphanage for Abandoned Story/Universe Ideas [message #22105 is a reply to message #3943 ] Wed, 14 January 2009 17:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jupiter's Great Red Spot and all its other planet wide rings of storms also present possibilities, say Typhon, if the real Mount Etna is there and its counterpart on earth is set to erupt when he's close to escaping.

[Updated on: Wed, 14 January 2009 17:10]


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Re: Corbin's Orphanage for Abandoned Story/Universe Ideas [message #22113 is a reply to message #22040 ] Wed, 14 January 2009 17:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That's a clever idea...won't work, but it's a great idea. Smile

A mystic circle has to be unbroken. The rock and ice particles that make up Saturn's rings have no connection to one another.
Re: Corbin's Orphanage for Abandoned Story/Universe Ideas [message #22116 is a reply to message #22113 ] Wed, 14 January 2009 17:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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KenJ wrote on Thu, 15 January 2009 06:22

That's a clever idea...won't work, but it's a great idea. Smile

A mystic circle has to be unbroken. The rock and ice particles that make up Saturn's rings have no connection to one another.


Ummm...The Law of Similarity to link them? It could even work on clouds if you have a cup of whichever liquid it was made up of, then the Law of Contagion comes into play.

[Updated on: Wed, 14 January 2009 17:40]


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Re: Corbin's Orphanage for Abandoned Story/Universe Ideas [message #22118 is a reply to message #3943 ] Wed, 14 January 2009 17:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Remember that a chalk circle wouldn't be unbroken either, if seen at close enough distance and scale. The rings of Saturn look like rings because they consist of rocks and dust in a roughly circular distribution and are seen from an immense distance. Relative to the size of the chalk circle, we're at an immense distance from it, too.


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Re: Corbin's Orphanage for Abandoned Story/Universe Ideas [message #22119 is a reply to message #22113 ] Wed, 14 January 2009 17:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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And what qualifies as unbroken? Look at a chalk line with a microscope, and I'm certain you'll find breaches where the chalk doesn't meet. Likewise, the rings of Saturn appear to be unbroken from a certain perspective.


edit: Curse you, oljak! Very Happy

[Updated on: Wed, 14 January 2009 17:48]


"It took her some time to accept that with such wings, her soul would never soar--but the fact that she could kick a man's lungs out through his spine was ultimately some small consolation." -ursulav
Re: Corbin's Orphanage for Abandoned Story/Universe Ideas [message #22120 is a reply to message #22116 ] Wed, 14 January 2009 17:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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negation wrote on Thu, 15 January 2009 11:36

KenJ wrote on Thu, 15 January 2009 06:22

That's a clever idea...won't work, but it's a great idea. Smile

A mystic circle has to be unbroken. The rock and ice particles that make up Saturn's rings have no connection to one another.


Ummm...The Law of Similarity to link them? It could even work on clouds if you have a cup of whichever liquid it was made up of, then the Law of Contagion comes into play.

Don't you mean contagion? Once connected, always connected? Smile


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Re: Corbin's Orphanage for Abandoned Story/Universe Ideas [message #22132 is a reply to message #22113 ] Wed, 14 January 2009 18:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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How do you know? There might be monofilamints between all of them. Or just plain rope. We can't really see it that clearly.


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Re: Corbin's Orphanage for Abandoned Story/Universe Ideas [message #22181 is a reply to message #22119 ] Wed, 14 January 2009 22:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Isn't there a law of magic pertaining to the power of belief?

The majority of people think of Saturn's rings as unbroken... therefore, they are.

(Sheesh... Loophole would be proud of all of us...)


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Re: Corbin's Orphanage for Abandoned Story/Universe Ideas [message #22182 is a reply to message #3943 ] Wed, 14 January 2009 22:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The majority of people think they're solid and standing on the solid floor, when they're actually pretty much open space and not solid, hovering above the floor (that likewise is mostly open space) because the electron clouds in the atoms lining their soles repel the electron clouds lining the floor. We're rationalising it as our solid bodies standing on the solid floor because at the scale of our perceptions, that's what it seems like is happening.


“I am SO level-headed! And anyone who says different is going to have to answer to... The CABBIT OF DOOM!” -Jade
Re: Corbin's Orphanage for Abandoned Story/Universe Ideas [message #22191 is a reply to message #22182 ] Wed, 14 January 2009 23:34 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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oljak.eru wrote on Thu, 15 January 2009 16:20

The majority of people think they're solid and standing on the solid floor, when they're actually pretty much open space and not solid, hovering above the floor (that likewise is mostly open space) because the electron clouds in the atoms lining their soles repel the electron clouds lining the floor. We're rationalising it as our solid bodies standing on the solid floor because at the scale of our perceptions, that's what it seems like is happening.

If I recall my quantum physics (It's been 20+ years) as long as the wavefunction hasn't been collapsed by observation (which only occurs for an instant in time) the electron DOES exist at all places in the electron cloud. (Because the electron is viewed as a wave, not a particle) That is, from a quantum mechanical point of view, the electron cloud is continuous.
http://www.cartage.org.lb/en/themes/sciences/Chemistry/Gener alchemistry/Atomic/Electronicstructure/Atomicstructure/Schro dinger/Schrodinger.htm

However, that's enough being pedantic. Another solution to the continuous/discontinuous problem, the pieces are joined through a higher dimension. e.g. Consider the four fingers of a hand being pushed though a 2D surface. From the viewpoint of something living in the 2D surface, there are four separated circular objects. From the viewpoint of a 3D entity, they're all parts of a single connected object.


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