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| Re: Spirit Power Levels [message #52961 is a reply to message #52943 ] |
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 Diane Castle
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| czaanum wrote on Thu, 02 February 2012 18:53 | As I understood it while most classification systems use 1-7 a couple don't, like esper and the old gadgeteering system (which was classified as a suptype of esper)
(I remember loophole talking about it with her mother in the case of the poisonous patent).
Far be it from me to tell the canon author's what to do, but there is lore precedent for certain powers not being 1-7, instead being something like 1-3. No extra work needs to be done! 
That random generator = awesome
He's a benighted Republican paramedic on the hunt for the last specimen of a great and near-mythical creature. She's a chain-smoking mute former first lady prone to fits of savage, blood-crazed rage. They fight crime!
e: Hey! Mine came out as though it's a husband and wife duo! =D
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[1] That was the *old* esper system developed in the late 1800's.
[2] You can always make suggestions. Most of us canon authors will listen attentively. Then make fun of you behind your back. Oh wait, I didn't say that out loud, did I? Oops.
[3] The number of Wunza plots actually out there already is pretty overwhelming. (Wunza = "one's a" as in "one's a grouchy by-the-book cop, one's a wacky robot, together They Fight Crime!" [note: see 'Holmes and Yo-yo']) Some of the output of that generator doesn't seem all that of a stretch. I mean, are any of those examples as weird as the Marvel Team-Up where Spider-man teamed up with...
wait for it...
John Belushi? As the Samurai Whatever?
And that wasn't the weirdest Marvel Team-Up of the 80's.
Diane
"WHO has deactivated my BEAUTIFUL frogs?"
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| Re: Spirit Power Levels [message #52977 is a reply to message #52776 ] |
Fri, 03 February 2012 08:59 |
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GuesssWho
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Could a desperate spirit steal a normal person's body? Would it be easier to steal their corpse?
I have a story idea where a spirit of vengence takes over a corpse to kill a serial killer, becomes a vigilante etc etc.
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| Re: Spirit Power Levels [message #52980 is a reply to message #52979 ] |
Fri, 03 February 2012 09:30 |
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GuesssWho
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| Sir Lee wrote on Fri, 03 February 2012 04:09 | | GuesssWho wrote on Fri, 03 February 2012 11:59 | Could a desperate spirit steal a normal person's body? Would it be easier to steal their corpse?
I have a story idea where a spirit of vengence takes over a corpse to kill a serial killer, becomes a vigilante etc etc.
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Well, there's the small matter of repairing the damage that caused the body to die in the first place. Otherwise, what you have is a zombie -- a dead body moving.
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My thought was that the body would change to match the spirit, thus fixing those things.
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| Re: Spirit Power Levels [message #54114 is a reply to message #52781 ] |
Tue, 21 February 2012 22:05 |
chrisbuyer
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| greyman wrote on Wed, 01 February 2012 01:04 | The wikia has some information on Avatar ranking, though this may or may-not be out of date.
| http://crystalhall.wikia.com/wiki/Avatar | Rough rankings are as such:
AV 1 - an individual spirit... the spirit of the Oak Tree on the west hill of our farm, the spirit of your pet basset hound, etc.
AV 2 - the spirit of a 'class of creature or entity'... Bear, Fire Elementals, Wind
AV 3 - a greater class or an archetype/totem... Thunderbird, Coyote, Raven, Fallen deities, extra-planar entities, etc.
AV 4 - active deities, 'forces' (ie... Champion, Astarte, Fred, etc), higher totems/archetypes like Grandfather Sky, etc.
AV 5+ - Gaea, active and highly worshipped deities, multi-planar entities, stuff that is really powerful enough that it doesn't need a host... and probably shouldn't be trapped inside someone for any reason anyway, even willingly.
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On this scale, I'd rank a kelpie as level-2.
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And then there's AV6+ - Able to hold the spirit of Bugs Bunny. Boy would the rest of Whately be in trouble... 
Chris in CA
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| Re: Spirit Power Levels [message #54116 is a reply to message #52896 ] |
Tue, 21 February 2012 22:33 |
chrisbuyer
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[quote title=mn There's a Lapp folk story about a Fae girl who fell in love with a mortal boy. It's slightly sad in that the boy could never quite comprehend where the girl was from and how to talk to his in-laws... or even find them if they didn't come to visit on their own.
(And more so in the end when he couldn't be expected to see his beloved wife of many decades in the afterlife, either, because theirs isn't shared with ours, and he never was able to know why.)
Information that is unknowable is sort of nasty like that.[/quote]
There was an interesting take on the idea of not sharing afterlives with loved ones in Robert Heinleins book, "Job: a Comedy of Justice." The protagonist's Girlfriend was of Norse decent and belief and he was most definitely Christian. They were both around when the rapture happened and he couldn't understand why she wasn't with him in Heaven. Got really fun after that.
Chris in CA
[Updated on: Tue, 21 February 2012 22:34]
Chris in CA
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| Re: Spirit Power Levels [message #54155 is a reply to message #54114 ] |
Wed, 22 February 2012 15:04 |
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Diane Castle
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| chrisbuyer wrote on Tue, 21 February 2012 19:05 | | greyman wrote on Wed, 01 February 2012 01:04 | The wikia has some information on Avatar ranking, though this may or may-not be out of date.
| http://crystalhall.wikia.com/wiki/Avatar | Rough rankings are as such:
AV 1 - an individual spirit... the spirit of the Oak Tree on the west hill of our farm, the spirit of your pet basset hound, etc.
AV 2 - the spirit of a 'class of creature or entity'... Bear, Fire Elementals, Wind
AV 3 - a greater class or an archetype/totem... Thunderbird, Coyote, Raven, Fallen deities, extra-planar entities, etc.
AV 4 - active deities, 'forces' (ie... Champion, Astarte, Fred, etc), higher totems/archetypes like Grandfather Sky, etc.
AV 5+ - Gaea, active and highly worshipped deities, multi-planar entities, stuff that is really powerful enough that it doesn't need a host... and probably shouldn't be trapped inside someone for any reason anyway, even willingly.
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On this scale, I'd rank a kelpie as level-2.
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And then there's AV6+ - Able to hold the spirit of Bugs Bunny. Boy would the rest of Whately be in trouble...
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And everyone: remember that these AV levels are wrong. They're DC Comics level AV levels, not Whateley. I think I already posted on this, but I don't think my comments have been transferred to the wiki. Remember: Whateley Avatars can't be Superman or the Spectre or Thanos. At the top of the levels, they still won't be Spiderman. [NOTE: the last statement depends on which Spidey in which continuity, because the 'I can catch a thrown VW Beetle' spidey might be okay, but the 'I can lift 30 tons and throw it at you' Spidey will not.]
Diane
"WHO has deactivated my BEAUTIFUL frogs?"
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| Re: Spirit Power Levels [message #54987 is a reply to message #52776 ] |
Wed, 07 March 2012 16:40 |
Fansibubbles
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Rather than start a brand new topic on Avatars thought I'd just ask here.
What is actually valid as an Avatar spirit?
Is it purely old Mystical creatures or can there be other things? For example would people from Urban Legends count? Or strange modern created gods like the ones worshipped in Cargo Cults?
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| Re: Spirit Power Levels [message #54989 is a reply to message #54988 ] |
Wed, 07 March 2012 17:11 |
Fansibubbles
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Thanks very much for the quick answer! Was about what I expected but it's nice to know for sure.
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| Re: Spirit Power Levels [message #55000 is a reply to message #52776 ] |
Thu, 08 March 2012 00:20 |
khade
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Sted, in the fan fictions, is avatar or paladin of a young goddess of the pony fetish, which is basically a cargo cult sort of thing, for the purposes of this conversation.
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| Re: Spirit Power Levels [message #55002 is a reply to message #54988 ] |
Thu, 08 March 2012 01:07 |
polarone
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| Diane Castle wrote on Wed, 07 March 2012 17:06 | A real god? Not a chance. Something small that has been brought into being by the worship of a cargo cult? That's feasible, and potentially interesting to write about.
Diane
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The question being, what constitutes a real god? I don't know if it still exists, but there used to be a statement that beings like the Olympians were allowed because they are lower level divinities but were still at the top end for avatars. The Egyptian pantheon was outright ruled out as being of a much higher power level; but they can take paladins like Miyet.
An example that is in no way authoritative but which can possibly put things into perspective:
The Nordic pantheon as gods would be disallowed, Marvel's Asgardians (if one were to take an incorporeal form) as powerful beings who happened to be worshipped would probably be allowed.
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| Re: Spirit Power Levels [message #55016 is a reply to message #55015 ] |
Thu, 08 March 2012 15:03 |
Laudator
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| dr. bibber wrote on Thu, 08 March 2012 19:50 | So Ayla could still be the avatar of the American Dream?
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Doesn't fit the facts. Manifesting didn't give Trevor American-Dream related abilities, he already had those.
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