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 Diane Castle
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| Sir Lee wrote on Wed, 22 February 2012 06:45 | Yeah, I noticed the slip too -- and by Hermione, of all people (don't remember if this happened in the canon book, not bothering to check). But I wonder if the enchantment in the house would protect them from that too? At least, to the extent of preventing Riddle from getting a fix on the location?
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Yes and yes. I deliberately had someone slip up, and no the Death Eaters will not be able to find them in a warded, Fidelius'ed, Unplottable house.
At worst, this would have the Death Eaters sure that they needed to monitor Grimmauld Place, as they are already doing. At best, it might be regarded as a trick since Potter has already outsmarted them once on the Taboo Curse bit, back at the cathedral.
Diane
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| Re: Harry Potter and the Deadly Heller [message #54171 is a reply to message #47264 ] |
Wed, 22 February 2012 17:15 |
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Sojiro
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Yeah, I was pretty sure the Taboo wouldn't let them localize the house through a Fidelius Charm, so I wasn't too worried.
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| Re: Harry Potter and the Deadly Heller [message #54404 is a reply to message #47264 ] |
Sun, 26 February 2012 07:26 |
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Sojiro
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Even if a Sticking Charm makes it impossible to remove the painting from the wall, it doesn't mean you can't remove the wall from the house! Mwahaha!
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| Re: Harry Potter and the Deadly Heller [message #54442 is a reply to message #47264 ] |
Sun, 26 February 2012 14:11 |
Deamon
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Why not simply blast the painting to bits with a Reductor Curse, though?
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| Re: Harry Potter and the Deadly Heller [message #54448 is a reply to message #47264 ] |
Sun, 26 February 2012 16:40 |
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Sojiro
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Do we have any indication that the Unremovable Sticking Charm can be used on people?
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| Re: Harry Potter and the Deadly Heller [message #54454 is a reply to message #54446 ] |
Sun, 26 February 2012 18:19 |
Deamon
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| Diane Castle wrote on Sun, 26 February 2012 21:16 | | Deamon wrote on Sun, 26 February 2012 11:11 | Why not simply blast the painting to bits with a Reductor Curse, though?
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Never been done in canon. You might end up with horrific chunks of Mrs. Black bleeding all over the canvas and she'd never stop screaming. Ever.
What I want to know is, if the Unremovable Sticking Charm is so unremovable, why not just stick Voldie to a concrete wall? He's immortal. So what? If he's stuck to a wall for the next several centuries...
There's a lot you can do with that curse, if it is really Unremovable. Wait until your foe is holding an object with two hands. CHARM! He can never wield a wand (or anything else) again. Wait until your foe is washing her hair and stick her hands to her scalp. Hilarity ensues as she runs naked and screaming through the castle. If it really is Unremovable, it ought to be illegal to use it without some kind of tracking by the Ministry (like apparation), because of the damage you could do with it.
Diane
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The thing is, Rowling never really defined the rules of magic in her world. Despite the fact that six out of the seven books are set in, you know, a school for magic, it's limits and methods are almost never explained. You do get the sense that there are rules and a system to it - for example you get a mention of Gamp's Law of Elemental Transfiguration at one point - but it never goes into details. Once a rule is stated it's adhered to, although some seem to come out of nowhere. I'm looking at you, 'wand's allegiance' from book 7, Ass Pull of massive proportions that you were. -_-
Rants aside, there are countless things you could do with just about any spell from canon, as long as you apply a little lateral thinking. But since we know next to nothing about how magic actually works, none of them might work. Or all of them, or anything in between.
There's tons of spells that are called Un-Verbable Noun, but no way to know whether the name is literal, or if the wizard who thought it up just had a sense of showmanship (or an exaggerated notion of his own competence). Like the idea un Unplottable location. Is it truly impossible to put on a map, or are there counterspells? What about a simple set of coordinates, do they count as a map? What if the map located in a computer instead of on paper, if the spell caster didn't even know of the possibility, does the spell still work on such maps? And so on and so forth.
If the Ministry were to control all magic that potentially harmful with a bit of creativity, there'd be nothing left you could do without a permit (not that the Ministry, or for that matter, the wizarding world in general, seems to care much about dangerous magic when they have Mind Rape Potions freely available for purchase.)
Or maybe nobody simply thought of it. Wizards don't strike me as very capable at thinking outside the box. Or any thinking at all, really.
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| Re: Harry Potter and the Deadly Heller [message #54470 is a reply to message #54454 ] |
Mon, 27 February 2012 02:22 |
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Diane Castle
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| Deamon wrote on Sun, 26 February 2012 15:19 | The thing is, Rowling never really defined the rules of magic in her world. Despite the fact that six out of the seven books are set in, you know, a school for magic, it's limits and methods are almost never explained. You do get the sense that there are rules and a system to it - for example you get a mention of Gamp's Law of Elemental Transfiguration at one point - but it never goes into details. Once a rule is stated it's adhered to, although some seem to come out of nowhere. I'm looking at you, 'wand's allegiance' from book 7, Ass Pull of massive proportions that you were. -_-
Rants aside, there are countless things you could do with just about any spell from canon, as long as you apply a little lateral thinking. But since we know next to nothing about how magic actually works, none of them might work. Or all of them, or anything in between.
There's tons of spells that are called Un-Verbable Noun, but no way to know whether the name is literal, or if the wizard who thought it up just had a sense of showmanship (or an exaggerated notion of his own competence). Like the idea un Unplottable location. Is it truly impossible to put on a map, or are there counterspells? What about a simple set of coordinates, do they count as a map? What if the map located in a computer instead of on paper, if the spell caster didn't even know of the possibility, does the spell still work on such maps? And so on and so forth.
If the Ministry were to control all magic that potentially harmful with a bit of creativity, there'd be nothing left you could do without a permit (not that the Ministry, or for that matter, the wizarding world in general, seems to care much about dangerous magic when they have Mind Rape Potions freely available for purchase.)
Or maybe nobody simply thought of it. Wizards don't strike me as very capable at thinking outside the box. Or any thinking at all, really.
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You're preaching to the choir. 
Can the Unremovable Sticking Charm be used on humans? Fred and George acted like it could, at least once, but we don't really know.
And even though JKR plotted out the skeleton of the series along with the ending before she wrote Book One, she left a lot of this extraordinarily vague, most likely to give herself the most wiggle room.
If dragon skins repel magical spells, why aren't Aurors wearing dragonhide uniforms with a hood and gloves? If brooms have spell-resistant charms on them, why can't you learn those charms and apply them to, say, Harry's clothing? Yada yada yada...
There is a ton of wiggle room in the stories, which gives me a lot of flexibility in re-imagining the story.
Diane
"WHO has deactivated my BEAUTIFUL frogs?"
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| Re: Harry Potter and the Deadly Heller [message #54611 is a reply to message #47264 ] |
Wed, 29 February 2012 04:58 |
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Sojiro
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She gasped? Why did she gasp? The suspense is killing me!
... not really, but I am curious to read the next part.
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| Re: Harry Potter and the Deadly Heller [message #54859 is a reply to message #47264 ] |
Sun, 04 March 2012 15:41 |
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Sojiro
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| Quote: | Ginny let Hermione lecture Ron about magical fields of study Voldemort Hermione was very careful to call him 'Riddle' would be an expert in
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I think here you meant to write :
Ginny let Hermione lecture Ron about magical fields of study Voldemort -Hermione was very careful to call him 'Riddle'- would be an expert in
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| Re: Harry Potter and the Deadly Heller [message #54991 is a reply to message #47264 ] |
Wed, 07 March 2012 17:25 |
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Sojiro
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Yay, more Slayer stuff! Also, action! And suspense!
This is excellent.
Only thing that could make it better would be some sort of interaction with the Buffy-verse/the kids learning something about the Slayer.
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| Re: Harry Potter and the Deadly Heller [message #54994 is a reply to message #47264 ] |
Wed, 07 March 2012 18:59 |
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mittfh
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Would the crossbow be made of wood, by any chance? If so, the shattered remnants are likely to be sharp, thus enabling Ginny to dispose of the welcoming committee while one of the others tails the survivor...
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