| Background and Backstory [message #45021] |
Mon, 29 August 2011 12:43  |
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 Nicky82
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I'm making this thread for the purpose of asking questions about aspects of WU background and backstory that are reasonable to be known to the everage citizen that makes an effort of making a research on the subject; this has been sparked from a serie of references to events made by the Canon Authors that were used to make a point but beside sounding appropriate explained nothing.
To start I would like to ask more explainations about the following objects:
- the MCO charter in the USA: there has been quite a bit of discussion about this organization and the limits of its power, it is also reasonable that the terms of the charter are avviable online to interested citizens, just like normal laws do; can we have the bare bone version to understand better what the MCO can or can't do?
- LA mutant-realted events: Diane has stated in the "The Foundation of the MCO" thread (Canon Material Comments forum) that LA is an anti-mutant hotspot due a serie of mutant-related events, considering that they were big enough to make a whole city an H1! stronghold than it's reasonable to assume that it is widely known that something has happened and information can be found with relative ease.... so what's happened?
| Diane Castle wrote on Sat, 20 December 2008 23:00 | Well, first that was an extreme case. The LA office is notoriously anti-mutant, even for MCO offices in the U.S. This is largely due to the guy in charge (handpicked by the head of the international MCO) and a series of mutant-related events in the LA area that have made it an anti-mutant hotspot where a (non-mutant but powered) jerk like the El Monte Knight can actually get support. Also, we're talking about a mutie suspected in the deaths of several MCO officers.
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- the Detroit School System Anti-Mutant Riots: Diane has mentioned riots at Detroit (I suppose over the mutant kids that were attending baseline schools), it was in the "Told the Rents" thread (Question And Answers forum, later made its way on the Wiki), she specifically descripted the riot as "notorious"; again, what's happened?
| Diane Castle wrote on Fri, 03 April 2009 21:20 | As for passing as a normal kid in a normal school, let me just say this.
HAH!
Lots of luck on that one. Even normal-looking kids with minimal powers, like Anna and Rhiannon, can't get away with it. As soon as anyone spots them, they're an easy target for blame. "He MADE me flunk the test with his mutant powers!" "He only won by cheating with those mutant things he does!" H1 is prevalent enough that pretty much every school in America has at least one kid who would call H1 on any suspected mutie. And said kid will not get support from the school administration. Schools know that any mutant on any of their sports teams - or any mutant anywhere NEAR their sports team - can be used as a reason to make them forfeit all their games. Schools know that having a mutant around can mean that all their scholastic results would be audited and possibly overturned. Schools know that having a suspected mutant is an excellent way to create picketing, school board fights, firing of principals and teachers, anything you can think of, up to and including the notorious Detroit School System Anti-Mutant Riots. So it's not safe for the kid or the school to have a mutant go to regular high school.
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- the Knights of Purity shooting up the mall: I can't find the post (it's either that the posts got lost in the Forum Crash 2011 or that my search-fu sucks) but I remember that E.E. once commented that the KoP are generally a bunch of bigoted assholes and cited that once the shot up a mall over the simplest of the misunderstandings just to have the chance of killing a mutant, I would say that it's the kind of thing that makes people take notice; can we have more information please?
Anyway, if anyone has questions about the background or the backstory of the WU, this is the place to ask.
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| Re: Background and Backstory [message #45027 is a reply to message #45021 ] |
Mon, 29 August 2011 14:51  |
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Verina
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I remember reading something... somewhere... about the 'common' practice of holding any mutant involved in a confrontation with the MCO responsible for any collateral damages or casualties resulting from the confrontation regardless of who was actually at fault.
Unfortunately, I don't remember where I read that, and I was wondering if anyone has read anything like this?
Also, would it be reasonable for the MCO to believe they could get way with blaming the mutant in any confrontation for any resulting damages, injuries and deaths... even those clearly not caused by anything the mutant could have done?
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| Re: Background and Backstory [message #51522 is a reply to message #51513 ] |
Fri, 13 January 2012 02:01 |
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Diane Castle
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| curiousreader wrote on Thu, 12 January 2012 19:59 | Ok this seems like and old threat but I did seem to fit the general questions I had on my mind.
1.Is there a specific law that prohibit or makes it illegal for a kid say between 14-18 to superhero on their own?
1a. If so what year was it started in?
I know od the sidekick law in the 50's but not of much else.
2. I was said during the late 80's that Mrs. Carson went by Miss Might but what year did she change her name?
You mentioned above about a riot in Detroit concerning mutants can anyone tell me more about it?
3. What year was the DPA started?
3a.If it started off as a part of another agency, or was it a stand alone from the start?
3b. What would happen in the immediate future it the MCO where somehow ousted from the country entirely? Would the DPA be able to step up and fill the void left in investigation community?
So this one was a little question heavy but I was on a role in my story an this was one of the few things bouncing in my head.
Thank you for all the advise.
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[1] The 'no underaged superheroing' laws were all passed back in the 50's as part of the 'supers with kid sidekicks must be pedos' witch hunt. There are over a dozen states that got such laws passed before the federal law was passed, and those laws are all still on the books. Why take them out?
[2] Do you mean Carson's real last name (which is from her marriage: she changed her last name every time she got hitched and didn't change it back after divorces), or her codename? She's had more codenames than married names.
[3] The DPA started out in the 1950's as a special project of the Justice Department (US DOJ). It has been downsized or 'rightsized' multiple times over the years, once through infighting by the FBI under Hoover, and a couple times by people who wanted to turn over some or all DPA responsibilities to the MCO. After all, if the MCO operates under a charter worked out with the DOJ but costs the DOJ no money, then those funds can be used by the DOJ elsewhere. Also, several sectors of the DOJ prefer the MCO's attitude about mutants to the DPA's 'softer' view, and have pushed for more MCO and less DPA as a result.
The MCO is not going to be ousted anytime soon. It is a massive undertaking with huge political, bureaucratic, and economic support. That said, if the MCO were given reduced authority in future DOJ charter agreements, then the DOJ would also have to pony up all the needed money to make the DPA larger and stronger to cover the lost duties. That's really unlikely to be able to achieve without an act of Congress.
Diane
"WHO has deactivated my BEAUTIFUL frogs?"
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| Re: Background and Backstory [message #51527 is a reply to message #51522 ] |
Fri, 13 January 2012 03:38 |
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mrudat
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| Diane Castle wrote on Fri, 13 January 2012 18:01 | That said, if the MCO were given reduced authority in future DOJ charter agreements, then the DOJ would also have to pony up all the needed money to make the DPA larger and stronger to cover the lost duties. That's really unlikely to be able to achieve without an act of Congress.
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I've got to wonder... given Ayla's revised opinion of the MCO... is it likely he's going to give some form of financial support to the DPA (or at least, try to)?
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| Re: Background and Backstory [message #51529 is a reply to message #45021 ] |
Fri, 13 January 2012 03:51 |
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Ayla is rich, but not that rich, yet. Governments deal in billions easily, Ayla at his best would be at that level, but it would bankrupt him to actually effect things.
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| Re: Background and Backstory [message #51537 is a reply to message #51535 ] |
Fri, 13 January 2012 09:59 |
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Nicky82
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| Sir Lee wrote on Fri, 13 January 2012 14:34 | | mrudat wrote on Fri, 13 January 2012 06:38 |
I've got to wonder... given Ayla's revised opinion of the MCO... is it likely he's going to give some form of financial support to the DPA (or at least, try to)?
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I don't think you can simply pay the bills of a government operation, even if you do have the funds (which the Goodkind Group might have, but AJG doesn't). There are too many similarities to bribery.
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Yeah, and in the meantime the MCO keeps getting funded by the Goodkinds and nobody bats an eye to the fact that it gives the Goodkinds an enormous influence over the MCO and they are quite vocal about their opinion about mutants, but nobody thinks that there might be a conflict of interests there.
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| Re: Background and Backstory [message #51551 is a reply to message #51535 ] |
Fri, 13 January 2012 15:41 |
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Cockle
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There's nothing to stop you paying more tax than is owed, but it'll all just go to the Treasury (or local equivalent). If you've got enough political influence you might be able to get the government to use it the way you want.
There may be ways round that in some cases: giving them equipment, for example. That narrows it down to those departments that can actually use the equipment.
You'd have to be very clear that it wasn't any sort of bribe, though.
If you've got that sort of money, it's probably more effective to spend it in lobbying and political contributions. Which aren't bribes at all, of course. 
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| Re: Background and Backstory [message #51560 is a reply to message #45021 ] |
Fri, 13 January 2012 17:33 |
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Sojiro
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The Goodkinds did buy a building for the SWAT, so that they'd be next to their main estate.
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| Re: Background and Backstory [message #51565 is a reply to message #51560 ] |
Fri, 13 January 2012 18:28 |
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Nicky82
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| Sojiro wrote on Fri, 13 January 2012 23:33 | The Goodkinds did buy a building for the SWAT, so that they'd be next to their main estate.
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I think that the Goodkinds have a KoP training facility just outside their estate with a couple of teams on call in case of mutant attack.
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| Re: Background and Backstory [message #51567 is a reply to message #51565 ] |
Fri, 13 January 2012 18:45 |
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Sojiro
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| Nicky82 wrote on Sat, 14 January 2012 00:28 |
I think that the Goodkinds have a KoP training facility just outside their estate with a couple of teams on call in case of mutant attack.
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That too, plus serious private security on the estate itself.
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| Re: Background and Backstory [message #51580 is a reply to message #51533 ] |
Fri, 13 January 2012 22:10 |
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BekDCorvin
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| curiousreader wrote on Fri, 13 January 2012 07:46 | To Diana:
I was asking about the change from Lady Champion to Miss Might.
What year did it take place, there and about.
What it a big reveal or was it a quiet things where one persona retired and a new one takes the spotlight?
Was it something people already saw through, like a new hair cut, or where their people that really couldn't tell the difference?
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Elizabeth Stevens, nee Brant, changed her hero name from Lady Champion to Ms. Might in 1973, two years after divorcing 'Dr. Arcane', her first husband (don't ask, it was nasty), and leaving the Golden State Guardians, which was having some rather... involved internal politics. The name change reflected her current commitment to the Feminist Movement (don't ask, it was nasty), and she moved north to the San Franicsco Bay Area (don't ask, it was embarrassing.)
Bek
To Be, or Not to Be; this is a question?
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| Re: Background and Backstory [message #51581 is a reply to message #45021 ] |
Fri, 13 January 2012 22:23 |
curiousreader
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Thank you for the info.
cheers
[Updated on: Fri, 13 January 2012 22:26]
Nothing is impossible, it's just that somethings are less likely then others. -Author Unknown
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