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| Re: Regeneration [message #46449 is a reply to message #46448 ] |
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 Laudator
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| dr. bibber wrote on Thu, 06 October 2011 19:46 | You know, I am still wandering about 1 point, Tennyo is not human anymore, nor has she gotten a BIT (as far as I know). And Regen is an other power than being an exemplar, so the regen isn't even part of the BIT. So how could the BIT-slicer copy her BIT, including Regen 5 to Jade? Or is this an indication about Tennyo being Exemplar 7(+) besides everything else?
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As far as BITs go, can any of us speak as an authority on Pattern Theory or whatever canon stuff there is in the canon bible (which does not exist, as TINCC) on the BIT-slicer? Maybe the BIT-slicer operates on whatever generic overpattern the targets have, even presuming the BIT concept is truly meaningful in the ultimate canon explanation of the Whateleyverse, maybe 'everything' is part of the overpattern/BIT in some sense, so a theoretical True Slicer 2.0 could clone one person on top of another...
On the other hand, good point - I don't recall Tennyo being called an Exemplar at any time.... Is it specified that the BIT-slicer needs an Exemplar or Shifter or something as a source, or just the
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| Re: Regeneration [message #46451 is a reply to message #46449 ] |
Thu, 06 October 2011 16:53 |
awjs
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| Laudator wrote on Thu, 06 October 2011 14:20 | | dr. bibber wrote on Thu, 06 October 2011 19:46 | You know, I am still wandering about 1 point, Tennyo is not human anymore, nor has she gotten a BIT (as far as I know). And Regen is an other power than being an exemplar, so the regen isn't even part of the BIT. So how could the BIT-slicer copy her BIT, including Regen 5 to Jade? Or is this an indication about Tennyo being Exemplar 7(+) besides everything else?
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As far as BITs go, can any of us speak as an authority on Pattern Theory or whatever canon stuff there is in the canon bible (which does not exist, as TINCC) on the BIT-slicer? Maybe the BIT-slicer operates on whatever generic overpattern the targets have, even presuming the BIT concept is truly meaningful in the ultimate canon explanation of the Whateleyverse, maybe 'everything' is part of the overpattern/BIT in some sense, so a theoretical True Slicer 2.0 could clone one person on top of another...
On the other hand, good point - I don't recall Tennyo being called an Exemplar at any time.... Is it specified that the BIT-slicer needs an Exemplar or Shifter or something as a source, or just the
target?
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I believe it is specified that the donor needs to be an Exemplar, but I don't have the time or energy to actually look for the quote.
Also, I always thought that the Regen that Jade got was not from the Bit-Slicer but a boon granted for being the handmaid of the Scourge, as Sun Wu Kong put it.
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| Re: Regeneration [message #46457 is a reply to message #40990 ] |
Thu, 06 October 2011 22:48 |
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When the BIT-Slicer was used with Tennyo and Jade they scanned Tennyo's BIT, ergo she is an Exemplar. Unless, of course, she has the BIT as part of her being a Class X Entity, as noted on her MID. Class X Entities are weird, so who knows? Normally BITs go with Exemplars or Shifters, and she ain't no shifter.
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| Re: Regeneration [message #46479 is a reply to message #46457 ] |
Sat, 08 October 2011 09:24 |
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| kd7mvs wrote on Fri, 07 October 2011 12:48 | When the BIT-Slicer was used with Tennyo and Jade they scanned Tennyo's BIT, ergo she is an Exemplar. Unless, of course, she has the BIT as part of her being a Class X Entity, as noted on her MID. Class X Entities are weird, so who knows? Normally BITs go with Exemplars or Shifters, and she ain't no shifter.
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Well, not technically a shifter anymore. The theory is that Tennyo was a developing mimic who burned out during a drug induced origin event in which the supercharged shifter trait somehow latched onto an ancient atavistic over-pattern.
She's about as far from an ideal BIT donor as you can get and still, theoretically, have a BIT.
Not that Jade herself is all that representative of the intended recipients; what with her repressed shifter trait being coopted by her manifestation.
Yet they're the pair who gave the best results. That's Magic And Devisor Science for you.
[Updated on: Sat, 08 October 2011 09:43]
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| Re: Regeneration [message #46480 is a reply to message #46479 ] |
Sat, 08 October 2011 10:23 |
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| greyman wrote on Sat, 08 October 2011 07:24 | | kd7mvs wrote on Fri, 07 October 2011 12:48 | When the BIT-Slicer was used with Tennyo and Jade they scanned Tennyo's BIT, ergo she is an Exemplar. Unless, of course, she has the BIT as part of her being a Class X Entity, as noted on her MID. Class X Entities are weird, so who knows? Normally BITs go with Exemplars or Shifters, and she ain't no shifter.
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Well, not technically a shifter anymore. The theory is that Tennyo was a developing mimic who burned out during a drug induced origin event in which the supercharged shifter trait somehow latched onto an ancient atavistic over-pattern.
She's about as far from an ideal BIT donor as you can get and still, theoretically, have a BIT.
Not that Jade herself is all that representative of the intended recipients; what with her repressed shifter trait being coopted by her manifestation.
Yet they're the pair who gave the best results. That's Magic And Devisor Science for you.
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I suppose only the canon authors know for sure, but I've always assumed that Tennyo's BIT was created by The Destroyer as part of the mask over what it really is. And Jade appears to have two BITs, one for her physical body and one for the J-Team.
Where that regen came from is also a puzzle, because it's not at all like Tennyo's regen. Also the process didn't affect how Jade looked in general, only her sex. I didn't think that was how a BIT transplant was supposed to work.
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| Re: Regeneration [message #46496 is a reply to message #46484 ] |
Sat, 08 October 2011 21:20 |
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greyman
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| XaltatunOfAcheron wrote on Sun, 09 October 2011 00:23 | Where that regen came from is also a puzzle, because it's not at all like Tennyo's regen. Also the process didn't affect how Jade looked in general, only her sex. I didn't think that was how a BIT transplant was supposed to work.
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Filtering the BIT overlay to avoid changing the receipient's face, blood type, and such was part of the process.
Well, supposed to be part of the process. Knick-Knack did cut out a lot of safeties with his bigger-hammer approach.| awjs wrote on Sun, 09 October 2011 02:07 | Only affected her sex? She was stretched and pulled to Billies measurements, to the point that she could were Billies clothes, including ones that Ms. Rogers tailor made for Billie. Her first sign that something was wrong was when Nikki said they were the same height, and Jade knew she was suppose to be taller than Nikki just like Billie is.
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Also, according to Dr. Igor Gellmar's research, it affected her chromosomes to the point that they started changing from X's to O's during mitosis.
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| Re: Regeneration [message #46497 is a reply to message #40990 ] |
Sat, 08 October 2011 22:12 |
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If I remember correctly, the agreement Jade made with The Scourge included a 'never leave you' clause, which would be impossible, unless Jade was made close to indestructable and immortal, as The Scourge is immortal. Therefore, Jade has been changed to be able to survive much that she wouldn't have been able to before and is probably a Type 3 immortal.
I will now wait 8 hours for you guys to find your way out of tvtropes again.
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| Re: Regeneration [message #46504 is a reply to message #40990 ] |
Sun, 09 October 2011 03:00 |
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I think it's more that she is difficult to kill, may not die of old age (due to her being stuck in a childlike state) and if she does die, will be reborn and end up near Tennyo fairly quickly. But we won't find that last one out for sure, because the idea doesn't really fit the setting.
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| Re: Regeneration [message #46547 is a reply to message #46504 ] |
Sun, 09 October 2011 23:39 |
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| khade wrote on Sun, 09 October 2011 18:00 | I think it's more that she is difficult to kill, may not die of old age (due to her being stuck in a childlike state) and if she does die, will be reborn and end up near Tennyo fairly quickly. But we won't find that last one out for sure, because the idea doesn't really fit the setting.
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Didn't Sara promise to rebirth umm... that boy she knew, at some stage, and there's a suspicion that The Scourge is made of GOO, so it's at least possible that Tennyo could end up doing the same thing for Jade if it came down to it... though what Tennyo would think of doing so might be interesting to see. (edit:) I'm fairly certain we've seen Jade's soul (or perhaps only part of it) hiding out in Tennyo's body after the Tool -> Demona incident, so it's possible that Jade's body could be destroyed, but that her soul could get poured into another container.
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| Re: Regeneration [message #46895 is a reply to message #46291 ] |
Tue, 18 October 2011 14:56 |
Laudator
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| Laudator wrote on Mon, 03 October 2011 21:05 | Going by the theory that the '3-day reset' effect on Generator is magical, and that it let her have the REG5 instead of going all the way back to near-baseline after the BIT-slicer event because it had gotten lazy about fixing up her body each time, that ought to mean that Generator's regen is safe from nasties like regenerator cancer (since that can kill within hours, and the reset-effect presumably doesn't want to have to bring her back from the dead *theorise, theorise, epileptic tree*).
Secondly theorising that Jobe got the REG5 DNA for his drow-serum from Nucleic at Bio-Regenetics (which I think is hinted at, if I am interpreting correctly), that means it's Generator's regen - so if you want nice, safe, regen (assuming Jobe hasn't had any more unfortunate errors with that serum), get drowified!
Of course, the possible risk of brain-reset or death from the serum is a bit of a downside....
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Reading through the Ayla stories and Jade stories again, I noticed that Jobe was claiming Reg5 for his drow before Jade had even heard of the BIT-slicer - so this makes my theorising a lot less likely :(
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