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| Re: Regeneration [message #51912 is a reply to message #51909 ] |
Wed, 18 January 2012 08:19   |
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| mrudat wrote on Wed, 18 January 2012 06:23 | I thought that it wasn't so much empty, as damaged in a rather specific, and, relatively speaking, quite gruesome manner.
I was going to point out that Regen-6 and 7 (by definition) allow for recovery from either, being turned into ground meat (6), or being reduced to a single surviving cell (7). A different way of stating things, is that, for the most part, Regen-6 is pretty much when you stop being biologically human anymore.
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True they can do an amazing amount of healing but I think the Powers that be have a cap on this universe when it comes to powers.
I could be wrong but I think the capped healing to just below what you could see in Wolverine and Deadpool. They did not want mutants to become too powerful, to the limited the power set to be well below marvels.
Now we just need confirmation from on high about this. 
That being said i'm still not sure that even they could survive the whole violent decompression, and volcano bath, both of this would completely destroy the brain, and I'm pretty sure that is the single most important body part to a regen.
No brain no you, and not even Deadpool can survive without his noggin.
Nothing is impossible, it's just that somethings are less likely then others. -Author Unknown
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| Re: Regeneration [message #51915 is a reply to message #51912 ] |
Wed, 18 January 2012 09:34 |
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| curiousreader wrote on Wed, 18 January 2012 06:19 | | mrudat wrote on Wed, 18 January 2012 06:23 | I thought that it wasn't so much empty, as damaged in a rather specific, and, relatively speaking, quite gruesome manner.
I was going to point out that Regen-6 and 7 (by definition) allow for recovery from either, being turned into ground meat (6), or being reduced to a single surviving cell (7). A different way of stating things, is that, for the most part, Regen-6 is pretty much when you stop being biologically human anymore.
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True they can do an amazing amount of healing but I think the Powers that be have a cap on this universe when it comes to powers.
I could be wrong but I think the capped healing to just below what you could see in Wolverine and Deadpool. They did not want mutants to become too powerful, to the limited the power set to be well below marvels.
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The "official" definition, to the extent that it's official, is on the Wiki. Regeneration and Healing
Xaltatun
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| Re: Regeneration [message #51926 is a reply to message #51900 ] |
Wed, 18 January 2012 14:13 |
kd7mvs
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| khade wrote on Tue, 17 January 2012 23:56 | There's a character mentioned in the Merry stories, who was buried in concrete, after being hung, ended up being a high level regen, and when they found the body, there was evidence that he didn't die until he ran out of resources, total cellular starvation, they also theorize that he was conscious the entire time, I think. It killed him, but it didn't kill him fast, and it didn't kill him painlessly or by suffocation.
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Merry's older brother, killed by their uncle at that Humanity First!-style camp. The neck showed signs of long healed trauma, so the regen had taken care of it.
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| Re: Regeneration [message #51928 is a reply to message #51915 ] |
Wed, 18 January 2012 15:00 |
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mrudat
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| XaltatunOfAcheron wrote on Thu, 19 January 2012 01:34 | | curiousreader wrote on Wed, 18 January 2012 06:19 | | mrudat wrote on Wed, 18 January 2012 06:23 | I thought that it wasn't so much empty, as damaged in a rather specific, and, relatively speaking, quite gruesome manner.
I was going to point out that Regen-6 and 7 (by definition) allow for recovery from either, being turned into ground meat (6), or being reduced to a single surviving cell (7). A different way of stating things, is that, for the most part, Regen-6 is pretty much when you stop being biologically human anymore.
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True they can do an amazing amount of healing but I think the Powers that be have a cap on this universe when it comes to powers.
I could be wrong but I think the capped healing to just below what you could see in Wolverine and Deadpool. They did not want mutants to become too powerful, to the limited the power set to be well below marvels.
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The "official" definition, to the extent that it's official, is on the Wiki. Regeneration and Healing
Xaltatun
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Huh. Looks like I was wrong. I wonder why I thought otherwise. I'm fairly certain that someone actually stated something similar to the above, though.
I'd wager it was something related to either Tennyo or Sara (being the two primary characters with the highest regen). I think it was said in-story that Sara could theoretically, at least, come back from a single cell, and she's definitely survived being torn into pieces and scattered on screen (then again, I don't know that they were actively trying to kill her, as the damage was, I believe, purely physical).
Then again, Sara doesn't actually count as a mutant, and Tennyo is slightly iffy as well.
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| Re: Regeneration [message #51941 is a reply to message #40990 ] |
Wed, 18 January 2012 19:07 |
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It's theorized that both of them exist in in more than three-dimensional space, and therefore you can't destroy their entire beings by annihilating the 3D part of their bodies.
Sara would be like that from being a GOO; the evidence regarding Tennyo comes from her ability to regen whole limbs in seconds, drawing mass from an unknown source -- and, secondarily, by the annoying way any part of her that's separated from her body (hair, amputated limbs, even excretions) disappears in short notice. One possible explanation for that is that the mass is pulled back into extradimensional space -- and, in the case of amputated limbs, could even find its way back to feed her regen.
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| Re: Regeneration [message #51972 is a reply to message #51952 ] |
Thu, 19 January 2012 03:40 |
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Hmm... I've got to wonder what Jobe's chemical cocktail would do for a Regenerator blood transfusion recipient; would they slow the replacement of their body with the regenerator's DNA enough that they have a higher chance of remaining the same person as before the transfusion?
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| Re: Regeneration [message #51973 is a reply to message #51941 ] |
Thu, 19 January 2012 04:46 |
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| Sir Lee wrote on Thu, 19 January 2012 01:07 | It's theorized that both of them exist in in more than three-dimensional space, and therefore you can't destroy their entire beings by annihilating the 3D part of their bodies.
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I don't remember anyone mentioning that theory about Sara.
| Sir Lee wrote on Thu, 19 January 2012 01:07 | the evidence regarding Tennyo comes from her ability to regen whole limbs in seconds, drawing mass from an unknown source -- and, secondarily, by the annoying way any part of her that's separated from her body (hair, amputated limbs, even excretions) disappears in short notice.
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I'll add that Tennyo apparently retain the use of her limbs even while crippled, being able to use her hand to demolish an opponent before the rest of the arm/shoulder joint actually regenerates.
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| Re: Regeneration [message #52000 is a reply to message #51952 ] |
Thu, 19 January 2012 15:09 |
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| doomsought wrote on Thu, 19 January 2012 01:42 | Some one forgot Cancer as a big regenerator killer. Ionizing radiation is a great way to get rid of non-physics breakers. Sara and Tenyo both fall far into the physics-breaker category of regenerators.
Elemental poisons are also dangers because unlike chemical poisons they cannot be metabolized. Things like mercury fluoride and uranium* are all great ways to poison and kill a regenerator.
*uranium is more lethal chemically than radiologically when ingested.
Also many death spells, not just soul removing curses, deal damage to the energy channels rather than physical damage and most of those would bypass regeneration completely.
As to regenerator blood: Jobe used drugs to slow down the growth of regenerator cells in his body so he did the body replacement instead of the other two options. It was likely a devisor version of Chemo.
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I'd guess that many types of regenerator would have the ability to chelate out the nasty poison elements etc.| mrudat wrote on Thu, 19 January 2012 08:40 | Hmm... I've got to wonder what Jobe's chemical cocktail would do for a Regenerator blood transfusion recipient; would they slow the replacement of their body with the regenerator's DNA enough that they have a higher chance of remaining the same person as before the transfusion?
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I'd say quite possibly, but only if the type of regeneration is similar enough. Regeneration types must vary a lot, since Jobe figured out a way to disable/suppress Counterpoint's regeneration, but was unable to totally suppress the drow-regen. Like a lot of power-labels in the Whateleyverse, REG must cover a huge variety of different things which only appear superficially similar.
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| Re: Regeneration [message #52052 is a reply to message #52043 ] |
Fri, 20 January 2012 11:35 |
kd7mvs
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| greyman wrote on Fri, 20 January 2012 02:39 | | Laudator wrote on Fri, 20 January 2012 06:09 | I'd say quite possibly, but only if the type of regeneration is similar enough. Regeneration types must vary a lot, since Jobe figured out a way to disable/suppress Counterpoint's regeneration, but was unable to totally suppress the drow-regen. Like a lot of power-labels in the Whateleyverse, REG must cover a huge variety of different things which only appear superficially similar.
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Counterpoint is an exemplar-3 and a power mimic (shifter-5ufcwm). That gives him a small constant amount of regeneration from being an exemplar; but his main source of regeneration will vary according to whomever he copies it from at the time. He'll get a weaker version of whatever type of regeneration he mimics.
Of course, if he does ever manage to copy something capable of bypassing the suppression, the other surprise of Jobe's 'gift' will come into play.
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The impression I had of Counterpoint is that his mimicing is at full power. Duplex copies at a lower level, but Counterpoint to date seems to have full level copies.
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| Re: Regeneration [message #52054 is a reply to message #52052 ] |
Fri, 20 January 2012 11:39 |
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Sojiro
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| kd7mvs wrote on Fri, 20 January 2012 17:35 | The impression I had of Counterpoint is that his mimicing is at full power. Duplex copies at a lower level, but Counterpoint to date seems to have full level copies.
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No, Counterpoint can have copies at full power easier than Duplex since he's more powerful, but not for the most powerful powers available. Look at his limit for PK-superman, for example. He's pretty far from Hank's 5 tons.
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| Re: Regeneration [message #52056 is a reply to message #52054 ] |
Fri, 20 January 2012 12:16 |
kd7mvs
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| Sojiro wrote on Fri, 20 January 2012 08:39 | | kd7mvs wrote on Fri, 20 January 2012 17:35 | The impression I had of Counterpoint is that his mimicing is at full power. Duplex copies at a lower level, but Counterpoint to date seems to have full level copies.
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No, Counterpoint can have copies at full power easier than Duplex since he's more powerful, but not for the most powerful powers available. Look at his limit for PK-superman, for example. He's pretty far from Hank's 5 tons.
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I'm not sure where you're coming from. Has he copied someone at less than their full level, and if so, a reference would be good, because I don't remember this as happening. Not hitting Hank's level when he hasn't copied Hank's power doesn't say he's copied at less than full level, merely that the one he copied was a lower level than Hank.
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Information wants to be free, and I will be the one who frees it! - Psike
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| Re: Regeneration [message #52060 is a reply to message #40990 ] |
Fri, 20 January 2012 13:41 |
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Sojiro
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When Jobe describes Counterpoint's capabilities, he says that the amount of strength he has with his PK-brick power he is almost always carrying is his limit, not that it was what he happened to have at the time.
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