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Wed, 27 July 2011 18:14   |
 Laudator
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So we know canonically which ones are missing to make up the dodekatheon in the Whateleyverse? 'cos I thought I read that the membership list of that group was somewhat variable in myth/legend.
There definitely need to be a specific dozen, rather than any group of them made up to that number?
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| Re: Question: Stygian and Pluto. [message #44015 is a reply to message #44007 ] |
Wed, 27 July 2011 19:05 |
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| XaltatunOfAcheron wrote on Wed, 27 July 2011 12:12 | | kd7mvs wrote on Wed, 27 July 2011 11:14 | | Hart wrote on Wed, 27 July 2011 08:33 | Heyla, Xaltatun
True. I mean, how likely is it that the Canon Cabal would be so insane, so obsessive (so curmudgeonly? -g-) as to create backstory on the backstory and plot devices? And then backstory on that, roots that will never be exposed in a story because it is just too esoteric and difficult to bring into focus? That would just be CRAZY, yo.
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Of course, the very existence of the above comment could be taken as an indication that it has, indeed, been done. Let's see, we have: Diane Castle, Bek D. Corbin, to name just two authors who might do such a thing... Any bets on E. E. Nalley or J.G.? Um, just about any of the Canon Cabal, come to think of it. It goes with the territory, me thinks.
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Only if they were planning on using it. That bit of plot was created by Lillandra for the unpublished story Wild Times. I'm pretty sure, although not entirely positive, that that's where the entire New Olympian crew came from. It may have been added by discussions with the canon crew, but at the time neither Diane, J.G. nor E.E. were members of the author's group.
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Hmm. I'd been commenting on Hart's comment in a vacuum, not thinking of the New Olympians in specific, but one might note how much use of the New Olympians Diane, J.G., and E.E. have made, and not find it unbelievable that they may have expanded the back story from what Lilliandra had created. We know that Diane does this type of thing, don't anyone try to convince me she doesn't.
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| Re: Question: Stygian and Pluto. [message #44024 is a reply to message #34997 ] |
Thu, 28 July 2011 00:25 |
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I don't think Poseidon is one of the ones that escaped, so they don't know exactly where he is, but he is far too powerful to need an avatar still, which would allow Hestia to still be one of the 12 that escaped.
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| Re: Question: Stygian and Pluto. [message #44030 is a reply to message #44024 ] |
Thu, 28 July 2011 09:33 |
XaltatunOfAcheron
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| khade wrote on Wed, 27 July 2011 22:25 | I don't think Poseidon is one of the ones that escaped, so they don't know exactly where he is, but he is far too powerful to need an avatar still, which would allow Hestia to still be one of the 12 that escaped.
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The first mention that there were two more that escaped and are missing is in There's an Angel in Dickinson Cottage, part 2.
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"Exactly," Imperious said. "Remember that thrice-bedamned golden apple? If we all go after her in a mob, it'll be that mess all over again. We'll expose ourselves completely fighting over that altar, and it doesn't take a Python to see that some third party will probably take her over our battered bodies. No. In order for us to resume our rightful place in the Cosmos, we must take that altar as the Dodekatheon, the Twelve of Olympus. The Foreigner managed to seal us up because we were too busy competing with each other in trifles. That's NOT going to happen this time! This time, we operate as the Twelve Gods of Olympus."
"Which is far more easily said than done," Majestic purred. "Especially seeing as how there are only TEN of us."
"And ONE of them is Poseidon, your own brother, father," Judicator pointed out. "Not that I've any clue as to where Dionysius got to."
"WHAT! DID! YOU! THINK! YOU! WERE! DOING!" Zeus raged in the voice of thunder that echoed through the chamber.
"I thought- no, I knew that I was winning," Ares said calmly. "I knew that mother and dear little Athena were going to pussyfoot around like they always do, and they were going to waste time being all subtle and trying to make nice-nice with the altar-girl. I just did the simple, obvious thing."
"We need to take the Altar as a UNITY!" Hera said in a way that suggested that she thought that he was a little boy who needed things spelled out to him.
"NO, we don't need to take the Altar-girl at ALL," Ares said snidely. "You see? You overcomplicated everything from the get-go, just like you did with this 'reincarnate in the bodies of children' idiocy. And THEN you went and FORGOT where you sent Poseidon and Dionysius!
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The other major reference is in Straight from the Squirrel's Mouth, part 10, where Ayla and Rich (Apollo) are talking on the plane. Ayla is the one who's looking for Hestia, and Rich doesn't bother to correct her that Hestia isn't part of the mix.
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Edit: I messed up Rich's name. Fixed.
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| Re: Question: Stygian and Pluto. [message #44057 is a reply to message #34997 ] |
Fri, 29 July 2011 13:30 |
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I'd bet on Poseidon being on an island in the Pacific and probably a surfer or fisherman (or both ).
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| Re: Question: Stygian and Pluto. [message #44079 is a reply to message #34997 ] |
Sat, 30 July 2011 00:35 |
khade
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Maybe Poseidon is Rip.
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| Re: Question: Stygian and Pluto. [message #44106 is a reply to message #44079 ] |
Sat, 30 July 2011 22:51 |
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| khade wrote on Sat, 30 July 2011 01:35 | Maybe Poseidon is Rip.
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Well, maybe not Rip, but if Poseidon (or for that matter, Dionysus) got reincarnated as a girl, s/he might not have contacted the other New Olympians out of sheer embarrassment.
Of course, we have a previous case of one of the Twelve reincarnating in a body of the "wrong" gender -- Feral. And somehow, Artemis got her way on the end: the body turned female.
But... I don't think that it's a given that the Poseidon or Dionysus will have the same "way out." Artemis is pretty much DEFINED as "virgin goddess" -- she simply COULDN'T exist as a male. It would be an almost direct contradiction of her basic concept.
Now, Dionysus as a party girl, I don't think it would be much of a problem, concept-wise.
Poseidon as a beach bunny is more problematic. He was quite associated with power and virility -- stallions and bulls and such. But in the end, his main "concept" is the sea, and he could keep it as Queen of the Seas.
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| Re: Question: Stygian and Pluto. [message #44108 is a reply to message #34997 ] |
Sat, 30 July 2011 23:48 |
khade
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Both would be very fun, I'd like to see fanfics, unfortunately, I'm just not capable of doing party animals or beach bums at this time, got no frame of reference.
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| Re: Question: Stygian and Pluto. [message #44181 is a reply to message #44030 ] |
Mon, 01 August 2011 11:42 |
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| XaltatunOfAcheron wrote on Thu, 28 July 2011 07:33 |
The other major reference is in Straight from the Squirrel's Mouth, part 10, where Ayla and Rich (Apollo) are talking on the plane. Ayla is the one who's looking for Hestia, and Rich doesn't bother to correct her that Hestia isn't part of the mix.
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I just checked the Font of All Knowledge. It says that there were a lot of variations in who was included in the 12, but the canonical mix doesn't include Pluto/Hades because he didn't spend most of his time on Olympus. It does include Demeter, though. Other sources include Hestia, which may be what Ayla is thinking of.
On the other hand, wouldn't it be amusing if the missing gods weren't Poseidon and Dionysus but were Demeter and Hestia? If Demeter is one of them, I'd look for someone in Chicago associated with her temple there.
Just a sec. Demeter has a temple in Chicago?
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The Chicago Board of Trade. What else do you call a building with a statue of a goddess on top that deals with matters having to do with that goddess? I'd think Ayla would find that too obvious to bother mentioning.
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