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Re: Still MORE Fey fan art. [message #35761 is a reply to message #35732 ] Mon, 13 April 2009 10:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
VeryZenn  is currently offline VeryZenn
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lbmaian wrote on Sun, 12 April 2009 22:57

I like Smile Love the concept and her pose. The coloring, as always, is pretty nice.

Critique:
1) Her left eye (on the right side of the picture) seems slightly too high, giving her a hint of a quixotic expression.
2) I'm surprised how much you toned down the breasts Surprised
3) The torso (from the hips to the bust line) is too long. In fact, it makes her arms look too short.
4) The lips...well you already know.
5) Her hair has weird highlights. It just doesn't look like realistic lighting.

Also, I'm not sure if her eyes actually glow when she's magicking the place up, but it would like really cool if they were - a magic aura around her would be spiffy too Smile



Glad you at least like the attempt. Very Happy

1) Yeah. Yeah...it is a little high isn't it. Phooey. Oh well I kind of like the mildly crazed look it gives her. Still I need to watch for that.

2) Well I CAN draw smaller breasts, but as they say "Why eat hamburger when you can have steak?" Surprised No. I actually drew this in a public place surrounded by kids. I finished it up at home and could have (and considered)making her tits bigger but I really liked how the shape turned out so I decided "Why mess it up."

3) I have problems with that. Always have. I'll just keep working on it.

4) Puffy lips are sexy! :raspberry:

5) Really? I actually liked how the hair turned out. I mean I could have cut it up with the smudge tool a bit (and probably should have. Oh well.) but all in all the thought it worked well. Could you give me a little more information about what exactly the problem is as you see it?

I would also like to say that I find it very funny that I have gotten far more constructive criticism here than any where else I have posted my art. Please keep it up. Very Happy

~Matt

[Updated on: Mon, 13 April 2009 10:41]


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Re: Fey fan art [message #35762 is a reply to message #34619 ] Mon, 13 April 2009 11:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Maggie_Finson  is currently offline Maggie_Finson
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I haven't been on the forums for a while so haven't commented. I've followed this thread through from the start again, and have noticed the improvement with the images. I especially liked number three, by the way.

I'm not an artist, can't even draw decent stick figures *grin* so don't critique artwork unless it's to say I do or don't like it.

Thanks for taking the time and putting in the work on these images.


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Re: Fey fan art [message #35764 is a reply to message #35762 ] Mon, 13 April 2009 11:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
VeryZenn  is currently offline VeryZenn
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Yeah. After reading your sig and getting a little deeper into the story I thought it was time for Nikki's Tempestuous side. Smile

I'm glad you like them. There will be more. I may do an Ayla pic next...we'll see. Very Happy
Re: Still MORE Fey fan art. [message #35779 is a reply to message #35761 ] Mon, 13 April 2009 14:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lbmaian  is currently offline lbmaian
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Quote:

5) Really? I actually liked how the hair turned out. I mean I could have cut it up with the smudge tool a bit (and probably should have. Oh well.) but all in all the thought it worked well. Could you give me a little more information about what exactly the problem is as you see it?


Well, I might have been too harsh given your art style, but highlights are supposed to strictly follow the hair line consistently, not a smudging approximation of it. In the pic, I see the highlights of some hair lines crossing into other hair lines that were previously not highlighted. I just don't think smudging is a good way to color in highlights. Other than that though, the hair is great.

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I'm not an artist, can't even draw decent stick figures *grin* so don't critique artwork unless it's to say I do or don't like it.


I'm not an artist either, but Ayla didn't need to be a cook to be able to critique those cooks Smile


“People, people!” Jade stood up on her seat, “I am not a nut-job! And the voice in my head agrees with me!”
Re: Still MORE Fey fan art. [message #35787 is a reply to message #35779 ] Mon, 13 April 2009 15:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't believe that those would be 'highlights' persay. I looked at it more as the reflections off the wavy hair. She probably has rather rich color, and it most likely would get lighter or darker depending on lighting, so it would make more sense for it to follow contours, instead of the hair line.


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Re: Still MORE Fey fan art. [message #35799 is a reply to message #35779 ] Mon, 13 April 2009 16:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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lbmaian wrote on Mon, 13 April 2009 14:27

Quote:

5) Really? I actually liked how the hair turned out. I mean I could have cut it up with the smudge tool a bit (and probably should have. Oh well.) but all in all the thought it worked well. Could you give me a little more information about what exactly the problem is as you see it?


Well, I might have been too harsh given your art style, but highlights are supposed to strictly follow the hair line consistently, not a smudging approximation of it. In the pic, I see the highlights of some hair lines crossing into other hair lines that were previously not highlighted. I just don't think smudging is a good way to color in highlights. Other than that though, the hair is great.

Quote:

I'm not an artist, can't even draw decent stick figures *grin* so don't critique artwork unless it's to say I do or don't like it.


I'm not an artist either, but Ayla didn't need to be a cook to be able to critique those cooks Smile



AH! Ok. I see what you're saying. The lighter portions of her hair arn't IN the hair (as they would be if her hair had lighter streaks in it) but rather a result of the bottom lighting. Honestly it could still use work but at least now I know what the problem was. Thanks.

~Matt

Got it in one Anvildude!
curious what people think of this. [message #36617 is a reply to message #34619 ] Sun, 19 April 2009 02:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
VeryZenn  is currently offline VeryZenn
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I was screwing around and started working on a Whateley Academy Crest.

http://veryzenn.deviantart.com/art/Proposed-Whateley-Crest-1 19751627

It's very basic as I didn't want to spend a huge amount of time if people hated it but I think it could be fleshed out into a pretty solid Crest.

Anyone that wants to play with it is welcome too. Smile

~Matt


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Re: Fey fan art [message #36654 is a reply to message #34619 ] Sun, 19 April 2009 10:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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And based in part on suggestions by Anvildude here is an updated version.

http://veryzenn.deviantart.com/art/Proposed-Whateley-Crest-2 -119781887


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Re: Fey fan art [message #36690 is a reply to message #36654 ] Sun, 19 April 2009 13:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hmmm, personally I think it looks TOO Masonic. It almost seems like a Masonic Lodge crest or something.

Also, there is nothing on it to suggest the idea of mutants or superpowers. I'm not very good with heraldics, but I think fire, lightning or wings would fit. Well, fire and lightning might seem too military... but wings fit with the theme of preparing the students to "fly high".


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Re: Fey fan art [message #36700 is a reply to message #36690 ] Sun, 19 April 2009 14:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I like it. I guess it does look a bit Masonic, though. Little suggestion: Keep the square, but instead of the compass, make it a brush (paintbrush) and a pen or pencil, for the legs. The tip could be a stylized gear, maybe? and use a wing motif for the border of the shield, maybe. If you really want to get fancy, put a sunburst emanating from the lamp. Keep the lamp though. Definitely keep the lamp. My though is, since it's a school (Not a mutant school to the general public, so keep that toned down) the Pen/pencil represents language, the Brush represents creativity and the square and/or gear represent technology, with the lamp and possible sunburst representing the learning aspect. The wings around the edge would be, like Sir Lee said, representative of 'flying higher' and 'reaching for the heavens' as well as giving that idea of slightly more than human, to those in the know.


Heh, for a school motto, how's this, (translated into Latin, of course): Knowledge is Power. That would be, what, [Knowledge] est Potestas?


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Re: Fey fan art [message #36724 is a reply to message #36700 ] Sun, 19 April 2009 16:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lbmaian  is currently offline lbmaian
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Anvildude wrote on Sun, 19 April 2009 13:59

I like it. I guess it does look a bit Masonic, though. Little suggestion: Keep the square, but instead of the compass, make it a brush (paintbrush) and a pen or pencil, for the legs. The tip could be a stylized gear, maybe? and use a wing motif for the border of the shield, maybe. If you really want to get fancy, put a sunburst emanating from the lamp. Keep the lamp though. Definitely keep the lamp. My though is, since it's a school (Not a mutant school to the general public, so keep that toned down) the Pen/pencil represents language, the Brush represents creativity and the square and/or gear represent technology, with the lamp and possible sunburst representing the learning aspect. The wings around the edge would be, like Sir Lee said, representative of 'flying higher' and 'reaching for the heavens' as well as giving that idea of slightly more than human, to those in the know.


Heh, for a school motto, how's this, (translated into Latin, of course): Knowledge is Power. That would be, what, [Knowledge] est Potestas?


scientia potestas est?


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Re: Fey fan art [message #36728 is a reply to message #36700 ] Sun, 19 April 2009 17:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
VeryZenn  is currently offline VeryZenn
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OK. Very Happy Hold On.

These are fine ideas but I think I should point a couple things out.

It doesn't have anything to suggest super powers because at least in theory it's kind of a secret. So I wouldn't think that they would have something that really advertises what they do there.

in addition, at least in my mind they were using the Crest which was originally designed for Whateley Academy back when Noah Whateley founded it and long before the mutants took up residence. After all they are trying to pretend to be a normal boarding school with a long and illustrious past. I agree it needs something more (3 or 5 somethings actually to be set out side the compass square in the open areas. I don't have a big problem changing anything but the lamp but anything that gets swapped in needs to have a similarly "Turn of century New England conservative" feel to it.

Scientia opis est. Would probably be the best translations I can come up with. It also works almost too well with the Whateley's. Razz


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Re: Fey fan art [message #36949 is a reply to message #34619 ] Tue, 21 April 2009 05:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Before you take another crack at the school crest. I would suggest you take a look at this document

http://www.americancollegeofheraldry.org/achsymbols.html

admittedly I do have this on embroidered on a polo shirt.

http://www.pegasuspublishing.com/images/D/397213tw-01.jpg

But you guys are looking for a school crest which would hold closer to heraldry proper. There might be a change or two on actual symbols used rather than the classic ones. But still...


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Re: Fey fan art [message #37026 is a reply to message #36654 ] Tue, 21 April 2009 22:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Given the fact Whateley is a New England school founded over a hundred years ago I think it would be a little odd or suspicious if there wasn't Masonic symbols in the school crest. Also the Lamp(light, life, spirituality), and the Compass and Square(movement toward perfection and a balance between the spiritual and physical) are pretty standard school related symbols in America, especially in New England and the original 13 states.


Re: Fey fan art [message #37047 is a reply to message #37026 ] Wed, 22 April 2009 00:56 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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You forgot a key element the school was bought and renovated by the... for lack of a better term "Board of trustees" so while the school may look old, and you may find masonic symbols around the campus, I don't think they would go so far as to include one in the current school crest.


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