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| Re: Jade [message #54537 is a reply to message #54518 ] |
Tue, 28 February 2012 00:28   |
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| dpragan wrote on Tue, 28 February 2012 12:59 | I'm just worried about how well Jade can animate Maple Syrup
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Chocolate syrup might be an easier subsitute to animate. More fun also! 
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| Re: Jade [message #54557 is a reply to message #54506 ] |
Tue, 28 February 2012 14:39 |
Laudator
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| kraftykeltic wrote on Tue, 28 February 2012 00:17 | | tristra wrote on Mon, 27 February 2012 18:19 | I'm not disputing a bond, there is defiantly a bond, but I'm not convinced it is connected to the mark.
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The mark was put on Jade,by Tennyo. Hekate was approached by Jade and a faction 3 person(Demona) who wanted some boon. The result was that Hekate was trying to put a demon in Jade, or bind a demon to Jade. Tennyo ate the demon, and left the mark.
Gothmong and Sara discussed the missing Demon, in a scene, but I would have to go look it up. And you have stated that you have not read all the stories yet. In another story Fey questioned Sara about the mark.
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Jade was marked during the second run of the BIT-slicer, before meeting Hekate's summoned demon. Because of the mark, Tennyo was able to detect that Jinn was in trouble and rescue her by pulling Jinn and the Demon to her and 'eating' the demon. Hekate was letting the demon try to 'eat' Jinn as its reward for giving Tool shape-stability.
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| Re: Jade [message #54558 is a reply to message #1676 ] |
Tue, 28 February 2012 14:52 |
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tristra
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OK, Finished Christmas Elves. Noticed that Jade's obsession with Tenyo seems to be a little more extreme in this one. There have been many mentions of Tenyo being beautiful in the past but most have defined it as different than Nikki not more than Nikki. This could be it has just never come up in spoken conversation but with how jade was throwing it around that is unlikely. It was never brought up in internal dialogue in this story so it could just be Jade messing with Nikki.
I also noticed that the connection Jade and Billie share is two way, and Jade's emotional and physical state seem to affect Tenyo as much as Tenyo's affects Jade. this does not seem like something a Demon mark would do as the Thrall is supposed to serve the demon, not the other way around. Kind of a one sided deal.
I don't remember Jade ever just spontaneously saying what Billie did, like Tenyo did in this one but I'd have to go back and read a lot to find something like that and I have a lot in front of me to read.
To me this suggests that the bond they share is as I said more like a blood bond (Soul sisters), they share a connection that is mutual.
I think that ether the mark is not a demon mark OR it is not Tenyo's mark OR someone needs to check Tenyo for a mark of her own.
The zombie thing was nice, she really played on the fears of those troops, it was fun seeing them try to figure out how she did this or that just to feed there own fear.
I am curious about the long term effects of possessing the Dagger.
I wonder if some part of that rage, or even the souls that were part of those rituals has become a lasting part of Jade, if so then she deserves her UV band more than ever.
-----Yes I'm picky, but only in the pursuit of curious tidbits. -----
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| Re: Jade [message #54559 is a reply to message #54557 ] |
Tue, 28 February 2012 15:05 |
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tristra
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| Laudator wrote on Tue, 28 February 2012 11:39 | Jade was marked during the second run of the BIT-slicer, before meeting Hekate's summoned demon. Because of the mark, Tennyo was able to detect that Jinn was in trouble and rescue her by pulling Jinn and the Demon to her and 'eating' the demon. Hekate was letting the demon try to 'eat' Jinn as its reward for giving Tool shape-stability.
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The mark was first noticed during the hot spring scene. which was after the first BIT Slicer incident but before the second.
they wrote it off as Jade having sat on a rock or something funny, or a birth mark.
Just because they found it then does not mean that it was something new, to that point Jade had stayed away from the others when nude if she could avoid it and she can not see her own back side, and has not thought to have Jinn take a look or anyone else.
there is just to little information to consider this a forgone thing.
As far as Tenyo saving Jade from Hekate Yes this shows a bond, but it does not show that this bond is connected to the mark.
Just as Sara's true name/mark is on her forehead if Tenyo has a Mark I would think it should be on her somewhere.
AND if Jade has a mark of her own and is of the same nature she would have one of her own.
it may be Jades own mark, or the mark of what ever curse or entity is bound to her that has Nikki and Sara worried.
Way to many unknowns for me to just take the easy path at this time. It may be Billie's mark, but with what I have read, it may not.
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| Re: Jade [message #54560 is a reply to message #54557 ] |
Tue, 28 February 2012 15:14 |
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Sojiro
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| Laudator wrote on Tue, 28 February 2012 20:39 | Jade was marked during the second run of the BIT-slicer, before meeting Hekate's summoned demon.
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During the first, actually.
After this attempt, Knick Knack basically said "I don't know what we did today, but it was glorious". That was what.
The second run gave Jade Tennyo's body, and the regeneration.
Otherwise, you are correct.
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| Re: Jade [message #54561 is a reply to message #54560 ] |
Tue, 28 February 2012 15:21 |
Laudator
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| Sojiro wrote on Tue, 28 February 2012 20:14 | | Laudator wrote on Tue, 28 February 2012 20:39 | Jade was marked during the second run of the BIT-slicer, before meeting Hekate's summoned demon.
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During the first, actually.
After this attempt, Knick Knack basically said "I don't know what we did today, but it was glorious". That was what.
The second run gave Jade Tennyo's body, and the regeneration.
Otherwise, you are correct.
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That'll teach me to rely on my memory, rather than checking the text. [/doh]
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| Re: Jade [message #54565 is a reply to message #54499 ] |
Tue, 28 February 2012 16:41 |
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Sojiro
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| Diane Castle wrote on Mon, 27 February 2012 23:19 | Blood is chock full of 'bits', and she was able to work with that fairly well inside Chou's body in Ayla 8.
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"fairly well" is all relative. What she did was very limited (but thankfully very well-suited to the task).
She grabbed a few of the biggest particles inside the blood (probably white blood cells since they're by far the biggest but since they're only making up about 1 thousandth of the volume she might have been grabbing red blood cells too) and dragged them for a short bit until she lost grasp. That's what happens when she tries to move something too small, it slips through her grasp too quickly to do anything significant.
But since it was still big enough to move perceptibly and they created a drag effect in the liquid, she was able to make the blood flow through the system by repeating this again and again all over the place.
This means that there are a number of significant limitations. first, she used inertia, so any movement would start very slow. Second, at no point did she have a grasp over the liquid itself (or even a significant fraction) so if it was lying on the ground rather than inside blood vessels she wouldn't be able to pick it up. She can only move it around in forms it will naturally take given its current container, maybe with a bit of leeway due to inertia. Then there's the fact that she does not affect the plasma directly at all, she only uses friction to drag it behind. That means that if it were lying in the open, she'd leave most of the blood behind as she moved it, and only the fact that the circulatory system is a circuit prevented that from being a problem. The fact that she can't move all of the overall volume isn't a problem since the overall volume is supposed to stay in the same place (the circulatory system) and just rotate.
So she can make blood rotate inside a circuit at a mostly constant speed. That's exactly what she needs to do, which is good! However, there's little else that can be accomplished with those limitations.
So if she's going to do nasty things with fluids, she should either considerably enhance her power, or use something she can get a better grasp on.
| Diane Castle wrote on Mon, 27 February 2012 23:19 | A non-Newtonian fluid like water and (lots of) cornstarch? Easy, and with fun consequences.
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Since those get easier to manipulate once force is applied and Jinn can apply force to what she holds, that one would probably the easiest type of fluid to manipulate for Jade.
As a side note, blood is a non-newtonian fluid!
In order to manipulate a fluid, she'd mostly need two things, first good points to grab, and secondly high viscosity so that moving only those parts she can grab will easily drag everything in turn.
For the points to seize, it's easy, as anything the size of a small grit of dirt will provide a perfect grip (one she can pull on at will without ever dropping).
For the viscosity, things like goo, slime and glue would make good candidate. Just mix a bit of dust inside for the traction and she's set.
| Sir Lee wrote on Mon, 27 February 2012 21:58 | Another interesting point to the soul bond is that it goes BOTH ways. When Jade was stabbed in "Christmas Elves," Tennyo felt it too.
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But note that it isn't as strong in both directions.
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| Re: Jade [message #54569 is a reply to message #54565 ] |
Tue, 28 February 2012 17:19 |
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tristra
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| Sojiro wrote on Tue, 28 February 2012 13:41 |
So she can make blood rotate inside a circuit at a mostly constant speed. That's exactly what she needs to do, which is good! However, there's little else that can be accomplished with those limitations.
So if she's going to do nasty things with fluids, she should either considerably enhance her power, or use something she can get a better grasp on.
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Part of what makes Jade so awesome is that she has weak powers but can get creative and perform powerful effects. Tailoring her abilities to the situation in near infinite possibilities.
(That is the same reason I love playing Rogue and skill based characters in RP)
Not tougher, not stronger, not faster, not smarter, not the best looking, not the most wizened, but the most creative.
It's an unquantifiable stat it is always seen as infinite or zero.
Purely an analogue concept that can not be seen by numeric.
There is loads of things she can do with powers like that if she is given the time to think outside the box.
Jade could possess a car and force the pistons to turn using the oil to increase and decrease pressure in the piston chambers rather than use combustion.
she could arrest a persons blood flow and just make them fall over dead with no apparent injuries inside or out.
She could cause parts to melt or fuse together by having the fluids inside them build up to much friction, causing machines to lock up.
Me being more tech minded I always want to apply to machines first but this has loads of uses.
Jade is a true bard/thespian and she lives her parts, if she ever decides to become a actress, or spy she will be the worlds best.
I'm not so sure about the bond not being as strong both ways,
Tenyo didn't know why she felt the way she felt so she had a dulled reaction,
this is not the same as the times Jade has reacted and known Exactly why. Like in Tenyo's finals test.
Jade was there, she could take in and react to the feelings fully because she new what she was reacting to.
and the bond would be mostly with the star stalker which is still for the most part hidden from tenyo so she gets it all second hand.
But we will have to wait and see.
[Updated on: Tue, 28 February 2012 17:27]
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| Re: Jade [message #54586 is a reply to message #54583 ] |
Tue, 28 February 2012 20:43 |
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| dpragan wrote on Wed, 29 February 2012 11:59 |
Not if she is going to animate the syrup in the Crystal Hall and have it pounce Tansy.
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If I was going to pounce Tansy, I'd use syrup, chocolate, and jelly coming from 3 different directions.
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| Re: Jade [message #54587 is a reply to message #54569 ] |
Tue, 28 February 2012 20:54 |
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| tristra wrote on Tue, 28 February 2012 19:19 | Jade could possess a car and force the pistons to turn using the oil to increase and decrease pressure in the piston chambers rather than use combustion.
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Uhhh... no she couldn't. First, she couldn't possess an entire car; it's too big. Well, perhaps a Smart Fortwo or a japanese keycar is within her radius limit.
Second, she has a hard time with fluids, so using oil to increase pressure would be very hard.
Furthermore, why would she? She doesn't *need* to. She can just disengage the clutch and push the car, or, if she wants for some reason to present the illusion of the engine running, she could keep both the admission and exhaust valves open and turn the crankshaft. Well, as long as it's not a desmodromic engine. But we are talking about cars, not Ducati motorcycles.
| tristra wrote on Tue, 28 February 2012 19:19 | she could arrest a persons blood flow and just make them fall over dead with no apparent injuries inside or out.
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Yes, perhaps she could -- if she touched the person, which is not a given (she would have to be pretty sure the victim is not an avatar). But it wouldn't be easy; her hold on blood is weak, and the heart has a lot of power. It would be far easier to hold the heart steady, instead of making the blood stop.
| tristra wrote on Tue, 28 February 2012 19:19 | She could cause parts to melt or fuse together by having the fluids inside them build up to much friction, causing machines to lock up.
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Again, controlling the fluid is the wrong approach. It's the thing that's hardest for her. But breaking the oil pump and the water pump? Or unscrewing the drain of both the sump and the radiator? Not so hard...
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| Re: Jade [message #54590 is a reply to message #54587 ] |
Tue, 28 February 2012 21:54 |
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tristra
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no she could not possess the entire car because of its size and the amount of force involved in moving something that large but she could possess the engine, the driving force of a car.
yes Oil especially low viscosity oil would be very hard, but just as blood or the stuff in the sink it's more about getting a flow built up then applying it. there will be manipulable particles in the oil pan and in the filter she can use to get started, the trick would be as she gets it going the heat would cause the oil to thin.
Since she can cause things to vibrate enough to clean them and she can manipulate very small particles in theory she may be able to cool or heat things through creating or arresting very high frequency vibrations.
She would never be able to get up to highway speeds if controlling a car and it would be insanely impractical but I think she could do it.
I mention it because she may need to do something like that at some time to support a psychout move like the whole vampire princess myth or to get the drop on someone. it could just as easily be a forklift, golf cart, go cart, boat, or airplane.
but really she would be better at stopping them than controlling them.
yes her hold on blood is weak, but her hold on muscles is not, stop the heart reverse it's pump flow just slightly to create a reverse pressure and pulse stops near instantly. I don't ever see her doing that but I don't see it outside her range ether.
Yes using fluids is hard for her and 99.9% of the time she is much better off using solids but for that .1% it's worth thinking about what can be done.
not as much what will be done.
As far as stopping a car that's easy, touch the tire and have the whole axle just come apart screw by screw.
Get close to a guy with a gun and touch it and poof one pile of gun parts ready to be put back together.
I'm not realy pushing for what she will do, only speculating as to what her absolute limit of ability might be under the right conditions.
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| Re: Jade [message #54604 is a reply to message #1676 ] |
Wed, 29 February 2012 03:54 |
czaanum
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nah, forget the heart or stopping blood itself, all you;d have to do is pinch a few blood vessels.
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