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| Jade [message #1677] |
Thu, 28 April 2005 23:39   |
 L_Rochelle
Messages: 3
Registered: March 2005
Location: Colorado |
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I just wanted to say that I think Babs' writing has gotten much better. I'm really glad of that because Jade is my favorite character. I did find it sad that Jade hasn't made any progress in her quest to become female. I certainly hope that she does. She deserves to be happy and I really can't see that happening in her present state.
Thanks Babs
Lisa
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| Jade [message #1678] |
Fri, 29 April 2005 00:12 |
OtherEric
Messages: 234
Registered: January 2005
Location: Pacific Northwest |
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Well, after the recent story it is clear that some force is actively preventing Jade's body from changing. The big question now, to my mind, is if the force is internal or external; and, if it's internal, if it part of the mutation inself, or just affecting it.
That probably borders on gibberish to anybody but me; let's see if I can clarify.
External is fairly straightforward- something outside of Jade is messing with her development. For some reason, I don't consider this that likely; although the scene in the first Chou story could be related to whatever is doing it, if it is an outside force.
Internal just means Jade is keeping herself from changing, one way or the other. If it's part of Jade's mutation itself, I'm afraid the character is going to wind up horribly tragic in the long run; since it seems very hard to change the form a mutation takes.
The most likely, and to my mind most interesting, possibility is that Jade is somehow stopping herself from developing. My first guess would be she subconsciously realized her dad would kill her if she started to to turn into a girl. So, she shut down her body's development. I'm really not sure that's it, though.
So, does abybody else have a theory?
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| Jade [message #1679] |
Fri, 29 April 2005 00:19 |
Belgarion213
Messages: 353
Registered: March 2005
Location: Melbourne, Australia |
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Personally I like your idea, that her farther would kill her if she turned into a girl. What is interesting to my mind is that Jade's fear of her farther was a central chareristic of her life. It defined her to some extent. This actually leads to an interesting question. If jade stopped her body from changing could Jinn be a side affect and not her mutation at all?
To clarify this I mean that if Jade's mutation had carried through and did not halt, like it did for her, would the need for Jinn be there at all.
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| Jade [message #1680] |
Fri, 29 April 2005 04:24 |
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Doragoon
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Registered: March 2005
Location: WA |
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I like the idea of the shot being a placebo, that makes the most sence really. the idea of a change happening that fast, regardless of cause, just sounds bad for the body. lets not forget that people who have sudden changes nearly die. (other than chou of course, but that just cancels out sarah who DID die.)
as far as what is keeping her from changing, i used to think it was her subconsious holding her back or whatever, but now that sounds too simple.
my guess is that it's linked to her power. she lives less than a third of her life in her own body, and i think the story about Ebon Flow (love that pun) was a kind of clue. that maybe the more she uses her power, the slower she ages. this doesn't explain why she was so stunted before she started using it, but i think it could verywell be something along those lines.
there's also the mother thing that hasn't been mentioned much latly. it could have something to do with her mother's death. this possibility could be either a pyscological or spiritual thing, but which i'm not willing to say. we just don't know enough about her mother yet.
or maybe with a BIT that's external, she doesn't have one for herself, so her development is just stopped where it was, her exemplar ablities keeping her static. this could be a problem becouse it could mean that she would loose the ability to cast jinn and the rest if she takes back her BIT. though this may give her a compleatly differant set of powers.
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| Jade [message #1681] |
Fri, 29 April 2005 08:03 |
Belgarion213
Messages: 353
Registered: March 2005
Location: Melbourne, Australia |
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I think that the more she uses her powers the slower she ages makes sense. Then the problem is that she really is changing, just at a fantastical slow level.
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| Jade [message #1682] |
Fri, 29 April 2005 09:37 |
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Kyosuke
Messages: 214
Registered: March 2005
Location: California |
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I suspect that her problem is related to some trauma in her past, and I suspect that that is related to her mother's death. There have been one or two hints that there is an actual block as opposed to just something slowing her down, though those hints have been vague enough to be interprited several ways.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if Jade developed some additional abilities or her abilities changed a lot if/when she overcomes this problem. Wouldn't it be fun if Jade turned out to be a strange kind of avatar, one who can actually give the spirits she hosts a temporary external body? In general it seems incredibly dificult to stop a BIT from expressing itself. Maybe the trauma forced Jade's BIT to express itself by taking over her ability?
Jade is definately one of the most interesting characters in Whateley, and while my current favoite changes from moment to moment, she spends more time as my favorite than any other character.
Thank you Babs! I look forward to seeing what happens next.
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| Jade [message #1683] |
Fri, 29 April 2005 14:54 |
L_Rochelle
Messages: 3
Registered: March 2005
Location: Colorado |
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Or it could be as simple as Jade being so afraid to grow up into a man that she is subconciously stopping her body from growing. Jade said time and again that she didn't want to grow up as a boy. It seems to me, and I'd have to go back and read it again, that her changes reversed as a concequence of her being outed by the avatar she experimented with. Sorry can't seem to remember his name.
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| Jade [message #1684] |
Fri, 29 April 2005 16:39 |
Darkice
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Registered: March 2005 |
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L_rochelle na woulnd't make sence her bit female. i'm going to go with
Kyosuke on this one it seem's to be more along the line's of some kind of phycological trauma. Also bladedance storie talks about a chi blockage which if i understand some of the concepts of chi blockages can happen from phycological trauma and IP1 talks about jade bit being messed up but then again i'm not really shure how cannoned other authors refrence/hints are (but then again all this could be in the whateley bible).
also Kyosuke could be right to that Jade power hasn't really devople since she's stuke in a transistion point which could mean were only really seeing one aspected of here real power.
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| Jade's other abilities? [message #1692] |
Sun, 01 May 2005 12:32 |
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Kyosuke
Messages: 214
Registered: March 2005
Location: California |
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It occured to me that in Jade 5, we have seen a hint of a new or additional power that Jade has .... She was immune to Cardiac. I haven't seen anything that would explain this as part of her Jinn/Jann etc powers. At that point in the story Jinn was off cleaning Musk's room, and Jann had been left with their "locker" in a closet, reading a book, so Jade was on her own.
So why wasn't she affected by Cardiac? - I don't expect the author to answer this here, (though I hope for an answer in some upcomming story). On the same point, Is Jade going to realize that this might be something to explore? Jade has done more to explore her own powers and make the most of them than any of the other Team Kimba members. Of course she has a lot on her mind so it wouldn't be out of character for her not to make that connection. After all, she was being normal then, it was everyone else who was acting strange.
Another question is, Could Jade leave one of herselves "stuck" to Hank? What would happen when that one's time ran out? If Hank could act as an avatar for Jinn it could help both of them. Jade would have an emergency back up construct out there, and Hank might get some mental defenses. On the other hand, if Jinn was stuck, but not getting "fed", it might turn out to be very painful for her and could wind up killing her.
Jade is so much fun to think about, Her character has so many possibilities without being overpowering, and of course Jade herself is so cute! Thanks for giving us such an interesting character Babs!
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| Re: Jade's other abilities? [message #1697] |
Sun, 01 May 2005 17:12 |
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| Kyosuke |
It occured to me that in Jade 5, we have seen a hint of a new or additional power that Jade has .... She was immune to Cardiac. I haven't seen anything that would explain this as part of her Jinn/Jann etc powers. At that point in the story Jinn was off cleaning Musk's room, and Jann had been left with their "locker" in a closet, reading a book, so Jade was on her own.
So why wasn't she affected by Cardiac?
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She'd been having sessions with Frank for a couple of days before. That's where she learned how to maintain her emotional stablity in the face of a strong projective empath.
Xaltatun
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| Jade [message #1698] |
Sun, 01 May 2005 18:44 |
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Kyosuke
Messages: 214
Registered: March 2005
Location: California |
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I disagree X of A.
When she was with Frank, she could feel his emotions clearly, even with all her defenses up. (They helped some, but not completely.) She was just able to recognize what emotions he was sending to her and balance them. What's more all her defenses were based on Jann being there to shield her from the effects and to let her know what emotions were comming from Frank so she could take them into account.
When Jade met Cardiac both Jinn and Jann were elsewhere, (I double checked that.), but Jade didn't feel ANY fear.
This seems to be something else.
Dr Bender's hint is intruging. The only times that I can remember Jade experiencing fear are with her dad, and with Bloodwolf, and with Bloodwolf she got over it very quickly.
As I said before, Jade is a really interesting character.
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| Jade [message #1700] |
Sun, 01 May 2005 20:04 |
Belgarion213
Messages: 353
Registered: March 2005
Location: Melbourne, Australia |
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Yeah but Jade was not aware of the wards. Though when she re-absorbed Jinn she pissed herself. I wonder if that is actually a side-effect, that Jade can dump unwanted emotions into Jinn and act under a clear head.
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