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 Nekoali
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Trying to rules-lawyer the intention of the sim conditions doesn't matter and isn't applicable. Loophole managed to get Carson to concede the match, therefore she won. Carson could have continued with it and possibly figured out where Zenith had gone to and thereby won the match, but Loophole presented Carson with a classic villain tactic, one that generally does succeed. "You can stop me, or you can save that person!" Carson was more concerned with making sure Zenith was safe, therefore she surrendered and Loophole won.
In any case, teleporting her armor is one of Loophole's known gadgets, and it is a reasonable idea for her to have her teleport rig somewhere close enough to where she was operating to make use of it. I'm quite certain that Gunny was keeping an eye on the entire team and saw the switch and teleport happen. After all, the whole point of the sim exercise was to see how the team handled an 'unbeatable' foe. He saw the trick and decided it was a valid method.
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Mon, 01 February 2010 09:36 |
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Geminii 
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I do wonder if perhaps Carson is deliberately putting Elaine in various situations in order to check how watertight various arrangements are.
In this case, she might have to add "no teleportation to places outside the arena" to the initial rules list, for instance. Although that might rouse the ire of any student with long-range teleportation abilities, given that they'd otherwise be easily able to win.
Likewise dimensional walking - if someone stepped into a no-place between dimensions that they normally used as a passage from A to B, and simply stayed there, would Lady Astarte be able to winkle them out? She does have access to a range of forces and magics, but I'm not sure if they include transdimensional tracking, travelling, or capture.
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Thu, 29 April 2010 16:19 |
A. Lurker 
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| AngelForm wrote on Thu, 29 April 2010 01:51 | Still a bit confused as to how much of her power Carson keeps in that rod. She used some kind of blast without it but no other magic.
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Well, she's had other costumed identities; somehow I find myself thinking that she probably didn't have or use the rod in all of them.
Pure speculation until we find out more, of course, but I think that while Mrs. Carson probably knows some magic, most of her actual 'Lady Astarte' powers do in fact come from the artifact. It's just that she still has her other powers to fall back on even when separated from it.
A bit of a "What if Superman also became a Green Lantern?" scenario, if you will.
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Thu, 29 April 2010 16:36 |
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| A. Lurker wrote on Thu, 29 April 2010 16:19 | | AngelForm wrote on Thu, 29 April 2010 01:51 | Still a bit confused as to how much of her power Carson keeps in that rod. She used some kind of blast without it but no other magic.
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Well, she's had other costumed identities; somehow I find myself thinking that she probably didn't have or use the rod in all of them.
Pure speculation until we find out more, of course, but I think that while Mrs. Carson probably knows some magic, most of her actual 'Lady Astarte' powers do in fact come from the artifact. It's just that she still has her other powers to fall back on even when separated from it.
A bit of a "What if Superman also became a Green Lantern?" scenario, if you will.
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I still say Batman should have been allowed to keep that Sinestro Corps. ring...
But yeah, I think that Carson is primarily an Avatar and High Exemplar, and absorbed some extra abilities during her time with the Champion Force, like flight and whatnot. I also think she's a really, really high level Wizard. If not at Fey's power level, then still very close, boosted from the Champion Force, and right now also augmented by the Rod of Astarte.
You need to use more commas. That's right, YOU!
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Thu, 29 April 2010 18:30 |
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AngelForm 
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She doesn't need a high WIZ rating to throw mystic bolts around, just some prep time.
Does make sense that someone with a magical weapon would study magic not reliant on an item to use as a backup.
As a side note I suspect Carson has either read, or more likely contributed to, the Magical Girl Genre Savvy Guide. Particularly:
"I will not allow the center of my powers, and thus the fate of whatever I am protecting, to depend on a gem, stone, or any object smaller than a grapefruit, which could be easily stolen or lost."
"If possible, I will create attacks that require no words."
"I will not limit myself to one form of attack. For instance, if my powers are primarily magical, I will research technological alternatives. Or if my powers are primarily ranged attacks, I will seek melee and hand to hand training."
"This calls for a carefully measured response… such as orbital bombardment!" - Dr. Diabolik
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Thu, 29 April 2010 21:19 |
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Nocte
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| Anvildude wrote on Fri, 30 April 2010 06:36 | | A. Lurker wrote on Thu, 29 April 2010 16:19 | | AngelForm wrote on Thu, 29 April 2010 01:51 | Still a bit confused as to how much of her power Carson keeps in that rod. She used some kind of blast without it but no other magic.
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Well, she's had other costumed identities; somehow I find myself thinking that she probably didn't have or use the rod in all of them.
Pure speculation until we find out more, of course, but I think that while Mrs. Carson probably knows some magic, most of her actual 'Lady Astarte' powers do in fact come from the artifact. It's just that she still has her other powers to fall back on even when separated from it.
A bit of a "What if Superman also became a Green Lantern?" scenario, if you will.
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I still say Batman should have been allowed to keep that Sinestro Corps. ring...
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The whole "Exposed to green lantern energies" thing sounds a lot like an asspull, since the first Yellow Lantern was an ex-Green Lantern. Still would have been awesome.
Mind you, for all your Batman-as-a-green-lantern needs, try "In Darkest Knight..."
Also, on the topic of magical girls, I once saw a picture of the Inner Sailor Scouts as the various lanterns. Jupiter was a Green Lantern and it inspired me to come up with an oath for her.
"Through clearest day,
And Stormy Nights.
None who oppose me shall be left to fight.
Let those who run ruin and smash,
Feel my power, JUPITER THUNDER CRASH!"
Nocte: Ship-builder specializing in Naglfar-class vessels. IIYIOK-class ships upon request.
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| Re: The Secret of the Forger's List Teaser! [message #78034 is a reply to message #77914 ] |
Fri, 30 April 2010 19:39 |
XaltatunOfAcheron
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| AngelForm wrote on Thu, 29 April 2010 16:30 | She doesn't need a high WIZ rating to throw mystic bolts around, just some prep time.
Does make sense that someone with a magical weapon would study magic not reliant on an item to use as a backup.
As a side note I suspect Carson has either read, or more likely contributed to, the Magical Girl Genre Savvy Guide. Particularly:
"I will not allow the center of my powers, and thus the fate of whatever I am protecting, to depend on a gem, stone, or any object smaller than a grapefruit, which could be easily stolen or lost."
"If possible, I will create attacks that require no words."
"I will not limit myself to one form of attack. For instance, if my powers are primarily magical, I will research technological alternatives. Or if my powers are primarily ranged attacks, I will seek melee and hand to hand training."
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Even Murphy's Law has Loopholes, part 6:
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"If I spend the next year or so in arcane research, I could probably come up with fifteen, maybe twenty new spells for my staff. Most would likely be copies of other magical effects I've seen. Or if I haunted a gym designed for paranormals perhaps I could finally cross the five ton line in dead lift. I never have so far, but let's suppose I'm diligent.
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This tells me that most of Lady Astarte's power is, indeed, in her staff. That was also alluded to during the Halloween mess, where Mrs. P. said something to the effect of "keep the tools of the past at hand."
Xaltatun
Cutthroat Competition is the Answer. Now what was the question?
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| Re: The Secret of the Forger's List Teaser! [message #78062 is a reply to message #66948 ] |
Sat, 01 May 2010 01:24 |
Kazorh
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Her ability to cast spells may be linked to the staff without most of her power being tied in the same way.
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Sat, 01 May 2010 12:25 |
Kazorh
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Yeah, what he said.
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Thu, 20 May 2010 12:39 |
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| Nocte wrote on Mon, 25 January 2010 01:18 | | James K | Loophole's "Cheat to win" philosophy pays dividends again, huzzah!
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Win and Live. Lose and Die. Rules of life. No change rules.
An Ayla saying. Just not the Ayla we are familiar with...
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Is there someone who's not familiar with Chrono Trigger around here?
| BekDCorvin wrote on Tue, 26 January 2010 20:17 | | oljak.eru wrote on Tue, 26 January 2010 10:42 | And from the biodevisors, where's the banana bomb and sheep bomb of Worms fame?
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PLEASE! Banana Bomb? Sheep Bomb? Get Real!
PUPPY BOMBS! Adorable, romping, frisky packets of incendiary DOOM !
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You know I keep having a scene in my mind in which Ayla asks Mal the reason why he wants to become a supervillain and he answers saying that being the son of Dr Diabolik he wouldn't be given the chance of doing anything else, and that he has spent most of his life basicaly hiding and now he wants to do something BIG in his life, something that will have people speak of him in shock and awe, and to Ayla suggests to go for World Domination, just not of the real world, to many people complaining, superheroes ruining his plans, and all those little practical problems, no the World Domination would be implemented in a world specificaly programmed for it, with demon summonings, orbital bovine bombardments, hordes of dominatrix-style battle-nuns, tidal waves, flatulence inducing diseases and much more, a world where over the top is the bare minimum, and so Malachai Diabolik becomes a videogame programmer.... and later complains with Ayla that the Spy Kids won't stop nosing around his "World Domination Project" and that he programmed the mook generator to add some quirks to both the player minions and the opposition, and is a pain in the butt having a mook with the 'Zoophilia' quirk sneaks in the Explosive Sheep strorage area and triggers a chain of explosions that blows up a good chunk of your base, Ayla obvioously tells him that it is AWESOME and that he should leave it as it is to let the player scream: "I am sorrounded by idiots".
So yeah, don't touch the sheeps, pleas.
| Faraway wrote on Wed, 27 January 2010 08:33 | @ Michael Brazier
You claim Carson found Elaine via her magic. While it is true, I would like to give a few snippets which will go together nicely:| the beginning and the end | Liz stretched her neck out until it popped, releasing the tension that had been piling up over the weekend. The Astarte Force tugged softly at her perception, letting her know where the greatest concentration of souls near her was. She began flying in that direction while giving a small shrug of her indifference. "It's always nice to stay loose and in shape I suppose, but what are you going to pull out to top me?"
<snippety snip - big one>
Once more her mystic senses were opened and very quickly Liz knew something was rotten in Denmark. Her flight took her to the far side of the Arena from where the fight had been, where a double dozen Catholic school girls were in the process of getting on school buses in front of the 'town museum.' One of which, a red head towards the middle, was wearing a mask.
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"Ah'm only wearing a mask because this is being recorded and the arena rules require it. Otherwise Ah am in civilian clothing and fit right in with the girls here. So, you only singled me out because of something were this 'for real' quote unquote Ah wouldn't be wearing, ergo, you, ma'am, are cheating."
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Elizabeth shook her head slowly. "Loophole, in the real world..."
"In the 'real world'," the red head interrupted, "Ah won't be robbing banks."
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It made me think the following - Lady A could find Elaine because of just that - her soul sense. But it was in the ANT-filled arena, where the only living souls were the teammates and Lady A herself. In the real world, even if such situation has taken place, which would not, Lady A would have been in the city filled with souls to a brim, and finding Loophole like that would have been impossible. Ergo, Lady A had her deck stacked in this fight from the very beginning, but in the 'real world' it would not have been the case.
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Also in the real world someone who robs a bank usualy has an escape plan instead of being trown in the situation and have to improvise; the simulation wasn't about winning or losing it was about remembering the students that it's wise to not get cocky.
| kd7mvs wrote on Wed, 17 March 2010 01:19 | So, are we talking a hollow bust of Poe, with a removable plate on the bottom? Or is the list on the other side of the room, with the raven and book, say interleaved with the pages of the book, as the book could also be the Dark Mind of Poe. This, of course, presumes a real book...
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In my opinion there is the possibility that they are refering to the book with the stuffed raven on it that's in front of the bust.
| AngelForm wrote on Fri, 30 April 2010 00:30 | As a side note I suspect Carson has either read, or more likely contributed to, the Magical Girl Genre Savvy Guide. Particularly:
"I will not allow the center of my powers, and thus the fate of whatever I am protecting, to depend on a gem, stone, or any object smaller than a grapefruit, which could be easily stolen or lost."
"If possible, I will create attacks that require no words."
"I will not limit myself to one form of attack. For instance, if my powers are primarily magical, I will research technological alternatives. Or if my powers are primarily ranged attacks, I will seek melee and hand to hand training."
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This looks something specificaly developed for Fey. 
All in all I realy hope to see the rest of the story.
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