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| Re: An Uncanny Valley Girl - Discussion [message #62766 is a reply to message #61355 ] |
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Niknokitueu
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| Thrythlind wrote on Tue, 10 July 2012 00:30 | | dr. bibber wrote on Tue, 10 July 2012 05:17 | | Thrythlind wrote on Mon, 09 July 2012 06:01 | I generally find people are most annoyed by their own behaviours reflected back. Have a handful of people that are self aware enough to realize their own hang ups. But most of the time I write teens as anything but.
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Teens???? Most of my 'adult' colleagues are no better.
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Real life, yes, harder to get away with in fiction. At least with a main character who is an adult. Real life doesn't have to contend with complaints like "no one is that stupid"
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Sorry, just have to add that reality is unrealistic.
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| Re: An Uncanny Valley Girl - Discussion [message #62768 is a reply to message #62766 ] |
Thu, 02 August 2012 17:43 |
 Thrythlind
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| Niknokitueu wrote on Fri, 03 August 2012 05:10 | | Thrythlind wrote on Tue, 10 July 2012 00:30 | | dr. bibber wrote on Tue, 10 July 2012 05:17 | | Thrythlind wrote on Mon, 09 July 2012 06:01 | I generally find people are most annoyed by their own behaviours reflected back. Have a handful of people that are self aware enough to realize their own hang ups. But most of the time I write teens as anything but.
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Teens???? Most of my 'adult' colleagues are no better.
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Real life, yes, harder to get away with in fiction. At least with a main character who is an adult. Real life doesn't have to contend with complaints like "no one is that stupid"
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Sorry, just have to add that reality is unrealistic.
Have Fun!
Niknokitueu
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Long before I'd even heard of tvtropes.org, that was explained to me as:
"Probable impossibilities are preferred to improbable possibilities."
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| Re: An Uncanny Valley Girl - Discussion [message #62769 is a reply to message #59523 ] |
Thu, 02 August 2012 21:30 |
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GuesssWho
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Real life doesn't have a plot, so any random shit can happen. Unbelievable things can happen because reality doesn't need you to believe it.
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| Re: An Uncanny Valley Girl - Discussion [message #63038 is a reply to message #63032 ] |
Wed, 08 August 2012 07:38 |
Thrythlind
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Ugg no
Disrespect for authority is no better than blind obedience and most of the time it is worse.
Most rules are common sense things we should be able to figure out for ourselves. The only reason a lot of rules and laws are put into written or otherwise coherent tangible form is because someone, somewhere did something stupid.
For the most part rules exist for good reason, and while no rule is 100% appropriate all of the time, following a good rule is most often the right choice.
The problem isn't respect or disrespect for authority, it's the fact that she has difficulty in identifying whether something is an actual authority or not.
Authority implies that one is an expert on some matter. You should always respect authority and listen to it because an actual authority knows what they're talking about. The problem comes when said authority is not around for a particular situation and thus are not able to point out the exceptions or when people try to apply to advice of an authority to a matter on which they are not an authority.
People tend to equate following rules and obeying the law with a lack of individuality or being sheep and think that the rules breakers are inherently more free and less restrained.
This is false. Rules breakers are just as constrained by rules as anybody else just in different ways. Some people break rules just because they don't want to be told what to do. This is not an expression of free will, it is another way of reacting to the rules. And that is the key word "reacting". Other rulesbreakers are constrained by a situation into breaking the rule because it is the only way they think they can get past a situation.
An actual expression of free will is often hard to identify because a lot of the time people exert their will they end up doing things within the rules.
The difference is free will. The rule and it's consequences might guide your action, but ultimately it's your choice.
All in all, I tend to find maverick loner types who play fast and loose with the rules as being as much sheep following instinct as anybody else.
Random recognizes that her rules lack authority in some cases but refuses to admit that even to herself. Her rules would work great if she's stuck in facility with people trying to kill her or her friends, but in common life, much less so.
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| Re: An Uncanny Valley Girl - Discussion [message #63048 is a reply to message #63038 ] |
Wed, 08 August 2012 13:02 |
Ninsaneja
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I gotta ask, after hearing that, do you follow the speed limit when you drive?
Most people break probably a half dozen actual laws every day, and that's not even taking into account minor laws that they don't know about. When it comes to less-enforced rules like "rules" about social interaction, people are even less diligent.
If that's not disrespect for authority, I don't know what is.
Plus, once you realize that not only were the laws made, in general, by the same class of idiots that you yell at in traffic every day, they were made by a committee of the same... It's hard to take them seriously as a moral guideline.
I mean, technically speaking, it's illegal to wear a belt in Massachusetts (due to a formatting error in a weapons law) but no one actually enforces or pays attention to that.
Soon after, the blood of the innocents would rain down from the Cradles, all at the hands of a single Links. One who will be the greatest monster mankind has ever seen, taking more lives than any other in history.
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| Re: An Uncanny Valley Girl - Discussion [message #63049 is a reply to message #63048 ] |
Wed, 08 August 2012 13:18 |
Thrythlind
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Unless I am in a situation where I'd gladly pay $100-$300 dollars in order to arrive a few minutes earlier...no, I don't speed.
also, currently living in Japan, so don't want to think what will happen to me if I get caught speeding here
and you're confusing authority "entity that has knowledge on the subject" with "entity which makes rules"
unfortunately common error
disrespect for authority would be telling off Steven King when he tries to give you some advice on writing
in addition, the existence of people who disrespect authority, even in small ways from people that otherwise follow the rules, in no way proves that it's not a bad idea
also, just because willy nilly breaking laws is a bad idea doesn't mean there's never a reason to break them
laws and rules are written for a specific set of circumstances, and when a set of circumstances for which the writers had not conceived arises, then following them could get you in trouble or it could get out of trouble
at that point the rule isn't really operating under authority, it's just being applied arbitrarily
that's the thing...you have to apply your will to the issue and make a decision based on benefit and consequence
most of the time the risks involved in most of the behaviors for which their are rules are, in and of themselves, too high even before the legal consequences set in
drugs for example...never going to try, never have tried, never will...risks are too high
alcohol...tried it once or twice, but by and large it tastes terrible and will make you stupid, so even without the laws about drinking, not worth the consequence
violence...getting into a fight has four possible endings: neither person significantly injured, you significantly injured/dead, the other person significantly injured/dead, both people significantly injured/dead
there's one result out of four that doesn't result in dangerous injury for one or another person....not worth the risk if you can avoid it..sparring, of course, is another matter
but some rules and laws are ridiculous or you simply have little to no choice but to deal with them...
for one example, my family technically broke the law the one year we lived in Louisiana since we continued to call ourselves white, when legally, at the time, only my Dad could make that claim...
My Mom is 1/32nd black and the rest of us are 1/64th....back in 1984 the law was still on the books that 1/64th was black...it has since been changed to be optional
by the way, most of my family looks English/Irish, I look rather German/Icelandic.....
my parents discussed the issue at the time and decided that going along with the law would cause more problems than it would solve...
at which point, you're not disregarding authority, you've listened to it and made a decision
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