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Re: Jet [message #23984 is a reply to message #23983 ] Thu, 29 January 2009 03:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Faraway  is currently offline Faraway
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That's because Jet is one of the main cast, by proxy of Jade. And everyone is dying to know how Jade could pull this out.


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Re: Jet [message #24002 is a reply to message #22748 ] Thu, 29 January 2009 09:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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For some reason I keep channeling Paul McCartney when ever I read this thread.
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Re: Jet [message #24014 is a reply to message #24002 ] Thu, 29 January 2009 12:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Jet [message #24025 is a reply to message #22748 ] Thu, 29 January 2009 14:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sara doesn't usually let anybody into her inner circle/team unless their foremost loyalties are to her. Possible exception being the Merry twins but pretty sure push came to shove Sara wins over church/god issues if it was important.

So I think one of the reasons Jet's personality is different than Jade's is because somehow Jet is no longer bonded to Tennyo (at least not as strongly). The Merry twins links to the Church seems to be of differing strengths. If Jet's "Jade soul fragment" has been nested in a more real body (and started to take root there) could Sara double bond just that fragment weakening Jets kneejerk responses concerning Tennyo and possible explaining were Jet is getting all the free juice from. Or sense she has the true soul firmly bonded maybe Tennyo's subconscious starwalker personality decided to be magnanimous and released her hold on the mere fragment when she felt Sara trying to bond her (big stretch there).

Course all this assumes Jet's body is more alive then a bunch of colored plastics, powders and metals.

I really need to look into this true soul verses regenerating soul bit *ads to rapidly growing list* can a regenerating soul take seed in a new organic body and grow into a true soul. Maybe thats where babies souls come from? Really have no idea. I really have to stop saying really so much...really.
Re: Jet [message #24057 is a reply to message #24025 ] Thu, 29 January 2009 17:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Observer wrote on Thu, 29 January 2009 20:05

Sara doesn't usually let anybody into her inner circle/team unless their foremost loyalties are to her. Possible exception being the Merry twins but pretty sure push came to shove Sara wins over church/god issues if it was important.
Sara owns their soul(s?), so I would think so!
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So I think one of the reasons Jet's personality is different than Jade's is because somehow Jet is no longer bonded to Tennyo (at least not as strongly).
Is Heyoka marked as well? Because she's a member of The Pack as I recall. Besides, I think Jade is perhaps Sara's closest (perhaps only) friend (as in not lover, not marked, but true friend), so Jet has that tie to her.
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The Merry twins links to the Church seems to be of differing strengths.
May be because one of them has gotten the mark cut off her body and hasn't donned her ring, perhaps?

[Updated on: Thu, 29 January 2009 17:42]


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Re: Jet [message #24059 is a reply to message #24057 ] Thu, 29 January 2009 18:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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oljak.eru wrote on Thu, 29 January 2009 17:42

Besides, I think Jade is perhaps Sara's closest (perhaps only) friend (as in not lover, not marked, but true friend), so Jet has that tie to her.

Yes but if Tennyo turns on Sara, for any reason, even stupid reasons or ones resulting from mind control etc...Jade is going to take Tennyo's side period. Especially if there is a fight. Unlikely as all this may be its possible. I don't think Sara would want someone like that as a body guard/constant companion.

oljak.eru wrote on Thu, 29 January 2009 17:42

May be because one of them has gotten the mark cut off her body and hasn't donned her ring, perhaps?


Yes. I was going for the fact that despite being soul fragments (still linked in some way) they can experience such bonds on their souls differently. So it sets a precedent. Though your right its not as clear cut as that.
Re: Jet [message #24083 is a reply to message #24059 ] Fri, 30 January 2009 00:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes but if Tennyo turns on Sara, for any reason, even stupid reasons or ones resulting from mind control etc...Jade is going to take Tennyo's side period. Especially if there is a fight.


Unless Sara has marked Jet, in which case Jet would be far more reliable. Of course the mark would make her less effective as a bodyguard. When you are hurt you don't want your bodyguard to be weakened.

Alternatively it may be a from of credible precommitment to cooperating with TK (I assume Sara's supergenius intellect has encountered game theory at some point). Much of TK is suspicious of Sara to some extent. Jade (as Jet) would be a great bodyguard for Sara against anyone but TK, where she's a liability. By taking someone like that as her bodyguard she forms a link to TK and makes herself more vulnerable to them if she goes rogue. That's 2 more reasons for TK to trust her.

[Updated on: Fri, 30 January 2009 00:59]


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Re: Jet [message #24102 is a reply to message #23984 ] Fri, 30 January 2009 02:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Besides, this is Whateley. A Chekov's gun would already be analyzed six ways to sunday months before it ever saw use. Heck, we have discussions on characters that don't even exist in canon!


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Re: Jet [message #24336 is a reply to message #22748 ] Sat, 31 January 2009 19:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I wonder if we haven't been looking at the Jet question all wrong. At first I was thinking that somehow Jade cast a very long lasting charge. Hey Sarah could've super-sized it someway. But now I'm wondering if that charge was cast into something that was in itself was alive or became alive because of Jade's milk/Sarah's magical resources. Perhaps some of that regenerative tissue of Jade cloned her another body.

That would make sense of that line that "Jet was well Jet." Someone that started off as Jinn/Jann charge but has become literally a new living person.

Seeing how we have all of only two or three lines to work with this all speculation of the wildest sort. The real question is this. Is Jet going to be revealed in a Sarah story or one by someone else?

grover

PS: We know that Sarah has that neo-goth thing going and that Jade can do a killer Wendy Adams. The two of them together? Be afraid!

[Updated on: Sat, 31 January 2009 19:52]


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Re: Jet [message #57829 is a reply to message #24336 ] Sun, 06 May 2012 20:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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As there has been some discussion in the Jade thread I thought I'd resurect this old thread of speculation about Jet. Perhaps reading through it might assist the latest bunch of WAG's to come up with something new?

John.
Re: Jet [message #57838 is a reply to message #57829 ] Sun, 06 May 2012 22:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I hope it comes to where we can determine if Jet is a individual or a part of the Jade collective.
I think till we know more, most are going to treat her as another Jinn.

I love the idea of Jet, and I think it can give some great insight into exactly what Jade's real powers are.

but for now it's all speculation, we need something solid to discuss.


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Re: Jet [message #72548 is a reply to message #22748 ] Sun, 10 February 2013 04:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bump!

Now we know the mechanics of how the original charge happened, I just wonder if the Jade-Shard survives inside (possibly combining with the other surviving shards of others) Sara long enough to be "Regurgitated" once she finds other substance.



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Re: Jet [message #72551 is a reply to message #72548 ] Sun, 10 February 2013 05:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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dpragan wrote on Sun, 10 February 2013 04:40
Bump!

Now we know the mechanics of how the original charge happened, I just wonder if the Jade-Shard survives inside (possibly combining with the other surviving shards of others) Sara long enough to be "Regurgitated" once she finds other substance.


...huh. That's right, Sara can "regurgitate" souls that she's consumed. In fact, we know she can do this because she used the soul of the security guard she killed when she laid the first of her "eggs" a few months ago. So, it's certainly possible for her to go for a bit of a hunt, maybe clear out the sewers of anything living (though we know she doesn't do that because Stan and Morrie were shooting giant aligator-monsters with Jade less than a week later), and send Jet back into her liquid fabric body.
Re: Jet [message #72571 is a reply to message #22748 ] Sun, 10 February 2013 16:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My personal theory is that Sara only ate the energy that is animating the cloth, not a fragment of Jade's soul; since the cloth is made out of mithril shaped with Sara matter mimicing Jade's DNA further shaped into Jade internal organs (brain structure & all) and with Whateleyverse's Law of Similarity & The Law of Contagion, the cloth is now a golem that can retain its own memory and personality. It just needs a charge of mana or Jade to come back again but its own memories won't go back to Jade (original) making Jet her own person (ie. Jade's second 'born' child).

Jade's powers work oddly with Demonic matter allowing her to have 2 children via Immaculate Conception first with Stewie, now with Jet; I think that a new branch of The Kult of Jade has opened for demons who will worship her as The Unholy Mother... Neutral


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Re: Jet [message #72586 is a reply to message #22748 ] Sun, 10 February 2013 19:28 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Actually Jet happens BEFORE "Stewie", chronologically speaking.



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