| Re: Jade [message #56294 is a reply to message #1676 ] |
Mon, 02 April 2012 18:31   |
 khade
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Wasn't there some possibility that her dad is dead? Wasn't he the body used by the demon going after Chou in it's attempt at whateley?
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| Re: Jade [message #56299 is a reply to message #56289 ] |
Mon, 02 April 2012 19:36 |
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Cockle
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| arixensjach wrote on Mon, 02 April 2012 21:46 | Or kitsunes have nothing to do with it at all.
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That one.
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| Re: Jade [message #56320 is a reply to message #56300 ] |
Tue, 03 April 2012 13:50 |
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Cockle
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| tristra wrote on Tue, 03 April 2012 00:39 | | Cockle wrote on Mon, 02 April 2012 16:36 | | arixensjach wrote on Mon, 02 April 2012 21:46 | Or kitsunes have nothing to do with it at all.
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That one.
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Most likely, but nothing wrong with wild speculation in good fun.
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Quite so. Though I do think this is getting rather far-fetched. There's nothing about Jade's condition which can't be adequately explained by a combination of the trauma of her mother's death - which itself doesn't need any additional mystery - her subsequent home life and just general mutant weirdness.
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| Re: Jade [message #56321 is a reply to message #56320 ] |
Tue, 03 April 2012 14:43 |
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tristra
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| Cockle wrote on Tue, 03 April 2012 10:50 | Quite so. Though I do think this is getting rather far-fetched. There's nothing about Jade's condition which can't be adequately explained by a combination of the trauma of her mother's death - which itself doesn't need any additional mystery - her subsequent home life and just general mutant weirdness.
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Your right, it doesn't need the over the top stuff, and in fact I'm kinda hoping for something grounded. but there are a lot of hints and clues that might suggest there is more going on than we know.
I think Jade has some repressed memories related to some kind of trauma with her father.
Someone once suggested that there may have been sexual abuse that would explain a lot, including her developing a resistance to the lust and the fear aura. Her brain has a kind of mental lock down that keeps her from maturing or dealing with certain things.
her power follows that being a shapeshifter and it's stunted her development.
Still speculation. But it's speculation from a grounded perspective.
We already have world destroying power.
Fay Goddesses
Great Old Ones
Tao Masters
And more over the top.
But Jade is a contrast, she has the most epic of powers if it were fully used, but she is also the most realistically grounded, even without her powers she does not change, you just love being able to read about her and cheer for her (or at least I do) And she doesn't need some epic world shattering back story to have that.
Now to the sad part,
Chess Master and Miss Potter both see her as a key character in there power struggle,
ALL (Yes even Chaka and probably Ayla) the other players are the incarnation of some ancient power so it is very likely that there is an ancient super force in Jade which will have to be addressed in her back story and it will likely become an all consuming thing when it comes to light
Just as Fay is now having to deal with being Queen more than she is having to deal with being Fay, and Sara is practically defined by the fact that she is a Great Old One, and Chou is defined as being the Maiden of the Tao. And Billie, she is probably one of the most confusing, because she is the destroyer and that bleeds out even though she is a nice person that tries to shine in contrast to that.
If Jade follows the trend of the others, when her power comes out the power will take center stage in her story and will stay there Like a Hut in it's throne room.
Her power will become a 1 ton flying albino gorilla in the room.
PERSONAL NOTE: Why is it that the others all have extensive powers testing to figure out what they are.
The testers are curious about Jades powers, but she is NOT getting Powers testing as extensively as the others.
She unlike the others has no mentor and is left on her own to test and train her powers (she's doing damn well at it all things considered).
This leaves her in a closed loop with few real outside perspectives giving her feedback to possibly search for real answers.
Sure there are lots of people looking into the nature of Jade and her powers but most of them are doing it behind her back,
and the Tests Jade is tortured through do teach her things but they are not in the end really for her, they are for working out how her Regen works, and changing her into a girl as more of a payment for her cooperation. Thuban probably sees it the other way around but he is a business man, that is not going to change just because he means well.
Where is her actual powers testing? Everyone else with an odd power set was thoroughly tested, poked and prodded till it was understood.
But Jade was just let go.
Now that it has come to my mind this bugs me.
[Updated on: Tue, 03 April 2012 14:59]
-----Yes I'm picky, but only in the pursuit of curious tidbits. -----
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| Re: Jade [message #56343 is a reply to message #1676 ] |
Wed, 04 April 2012 05:25 |
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Sojiro
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Jade's projections are spirits that, like most spirits, can be fed by Avatars. Timeless charging Jinn does not need an explanation. The fact that they run on mana (what is even that mana thing anyway?) doesn't really help explain why a mythril ring shift stacking from adding strength to adding endurance. Note that this is not more efficient, just different.
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| Re: Jade [message #56346 is a reply to message #56340 ] |
Wed, 04 April 2012 11:39 |
polarone
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| Nocte wrote on Wed, 04 April 2012 01:55 | | tristra wrote on Mon, 02 April 2012 04:45 | | polarone wrote on Sat, 31 March 2012 21:43 | My personal interpretation is that she is splitting off portions of her soul with each projection.
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I think you may right, which makes Jet a curiosity that begs explaining.
NEED ANSWERS!!!!
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My favored theory is that the J-Squad run off of mana (Thus explaining why Timeless can supercharge a copy and the effectiveness of stacking via mythril ring) and Jet has been on long service leave via Mana Infusions from Sara. (Knowing Sara, her mana transfers are the Fate Stay/Night method.) (Also, when Jade finally gets around to calling Jet back, she's going to learn a LOT about sex.)
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Probably a good reason to wait a few years then.
Also, new thought. Sara might have convinced Jet to accept her mark, she was concerned that Jade had Tenyo's, and when Jet reintegrates, the two might cancel each other out.
"Quote."
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| Re: Jade [message #56381 is a reply to message #56346 ] |
Fri, 06 April 2012 02:05 |
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tristra
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| polarone wrote on Wed, 04 April 2012 08:39 | Probably a good reason to wait a few years then.
Also, new thought. Sara might have convinced Jet to accept her mark, she was concerned that Jade had Tenyo's, and when Jet reintegrates, the two might cancel each other out.
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Good Thought. But can that keep Jet going and if so how does her mark affect Jade who is immune to Sara's sex aura and Jet who is probably like Jinn and has emotions but they are dulled?
It's been said a number of times that the flesh gives some vibrant feelings and perspective that Jade has but the rest of the J team does not.
this would mean that Jet would likely have no attraction to Sara and would be unthreatened by her power.
This is great if Sara needs someone close that she can trust to be unbiased and uninfluenced by her own power.
And on a personal note it means like Jade, Jet is her friend because of who she is and not because of how her power makes Jet feel, something I suspect Sara prizes very highly and something that is more than in question with most others, at times even with Nikki.
-----Yes I'm picky, but only in the pursuit of curious tidbits. -----
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| Re: Jade [message #56383 is a reply to message #1676 ] |
Fri, 06 April 2012 04:25 |
Laudator
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I don't think canon has said if it is possible to have more than one demon-mark. At the least it seems likely to me that someone with more than one mark might have serious mental problems with them....
In any case, if Jet were to have Sara's mark, she'd then have two marks, since all the J-team share Jade's mark (see Tennyo's combat final)
It might be possible that Jet has been more permanently split off from Jade, in the way that Merry's soul got permanently split into two, as we know Sara can do that. But taking a mark away ... I think it was said to be permanent and unremovable by Sara herself in one of the stories...
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| Re: Jade [message #56384 is a reply to message #56383 ] |
Fri, 06 April 2012 06:19 |
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tristra
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I don't think under any normal conditions it makes sense to be able to get more than one mark, as they are emotional bonds that usually turn a person into a thrall or worshiper.
There may be different kinds and degrees of marks so Who's to say.
But to this point they have strongly implied it is a mark of service, the wearer of a mark becomes the effective property of the person the mark represents.
I agree that the J team does share a mark, and that they do have a bond with Tenyo. But I am not totally sure that the mark is Tenyo's.
There is still to much unknown about Jade to really say.
They did not say the mark was unremovable,
Only that it is very hard and seldom heard of to loose a mark after it is placed.
There was also some implication that the person that gave the mark may be able to remove it.
And if they follow certain legends and fables (what I suspect the marks to be based on) Then Marks can be conditional, like a spell based contract.
In other words they keep the mark as long as a condition is met or until a task is complete.
(Gain a body like Tenyo's and in return stay by her side forever.)
But these contracts have to be up held on all sides.
IF the mark is Tenyo's and was placed during the first BIT Slicer incident then the mark is on Jinn for the most part, and was placed under the condition that Jade get a body like Tenyo's.
Due to the odd forces at work inside Jade (That Nikki for a moment saw as very powerful, magical, and possibly old) This contractual element was not fully upheld, the only long lasting part seems to be the regeneration, even Jinn's form doesn't naturally match Tenyo, but she does still have the ability to take that form, this only encourages the idea that Jade is a shapeshifter.
Possibly an exemplar that became a shapeshifter due to the things she forced herself into but a shape shifter all the same.
-----Yes I'm picky, but only in the pursuit of curious tidbits. -----
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| Re: Jade [message #56397 is a reply to message #1676 ] |
Fri, 06 April 2012 16:47 |
khade
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I'm pretty sure that Petra currently has 3 demon marks, using the definition of a symbol of a contract with an otherworldly entity.
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