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| Stacy aka Silver Ghost [message #52019] |
Thu, 19 January 2012 20:20  |
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Sojiro Messages: 1652 Registered: November 2011 |
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I just went through the entire Character Discussions sub-forum and I didn't find any thread about Stacey. Did I just miss it, or is it missing?
How could there be no thread about this excellent character? (lost in forum crash maybe?) This is UNACCEPTABLE!
So I'm going to start one, listing all the powers she apparently manifests. From everything seen about her, she's "simply" the rare Exemplar/PDP combination.
* Psy : can 'hear' George's reasoning when he first saw her boobs
* Exemplar : hit her head against the rim of the tub with enough force to break his skull, but was only dazed
* ESP (Empathy) : she could feel George's hate and contempt slamming away at her (unlike the above the word "feel" was used rather than "hear", and it was about raw emotions rather than conscious reasoning, so the former is Psy while the latter is Empathy)
* PK (supergirl) : the classic mirror PK field that reflects even light, both super-strength and invulnerability indicates that it wasn't just a force push but the actual PK-supergirl package
* PK (gliding) : she glides more than she walks with her field on, so that's the first hint that she's got the flying part of the PK-supergirl package (which is common but not automatic)
* ESP (dowsing) : While making her bad, she instinctively knows what she is going to need and where all those items are without thinking, while it might look like a type of Precog, the combination of the two and latter events tend to lean much more heavily in the ability to locate important items, which we'll call dowsing even if it's not specialized at finding precious resources underground.
* PK (classic item grab telekinesis) : the items she needs seems to spring into her hand.
* PK (gliding) : jumping from her window she slowly floated down to the ground, light as a feather (still not real flight, but that's definitely her PK doing its job)
* PK/Exemplar (jumping) : jumped above 10-foot high obstacle like it wasn't even there (and Exemplar could do it, but taking the "effortlessly" comment literally it would look more like PK), and then if she put his mind to it, she could jump all the way from the street to the roof of a two-story building
* ESP : remember Erik Mahren's knack for guessing 100% wrong? I'll just put this quote from Stacy there : "She just knew that Danny was destined for big things, and that he'd take her along with him." (in case it wasn't obvious, it's a joke, although it can be taken as a hint of no precog)
* ESP (empathy) : "That fragile sense that Stacy sometimes got, like she could feel what other people were feeling - not just guess at it, like most people, but really feel it! - told her that Danny was absolutely furious." definite empathy there
* Psy (influencing people) "She devoutly wished that [the mean looking pimp] would move on immediately. Instead, the man stopped, looked her up and down, and all but licked his chops." so given the instinctual nature of her power, her ability to influence people is clearly absent at this time, and this is likely something she'll be bad at if she ever learns how to do it.
* PK (supergirl) : capable of taking three shot from a gun at point blank range without feeling anything (I'm making a note of this because it indicates a minimum for resistance.
* ESP (or Psy?) (more empathy and non-precog) "[Danny] took her in his arms and held her tight. "It's gonna be all right. I'll make sure that it's all right." And Stacy knew that he would make it all right.", so we have an Empath power subtle enough to sense sincerity (that's not something everyone can do, sincerity isn't an emotion) or a Psy ability to detect it if it's not something empathy can get at (note that many people are arguing that empathy is Psy in the first place, anyway), also more hint that she's not a precog (note that if she's using Psy to sense his sincerity, the natural PDP limitation would shut down precog anyway so it's not hard proof either)
* Exemplar (strength) : during her attempts to learn how to turn silver by lifting things, it turned out that Stacy was a lot stronger than she looked, even without the silver stuff. It finally got to the point where she had to try and pick up entire junked car, before the silver thing kicked in. Although we don't know if she is able to lift anything lighter than a junked car, and how heavy is the heaviest thing lighter than a junked car in that junk yard (although we can assume that she did manage to lift engine blocks and such, which would put her at the Ex-3 level, although an Ex-4 level is possible especially if it's low or if the field kicks in before she's completely unable to lift something, but since she has to strain to bring it up high Ex-4 or above is most likely not possible)
* PK (invisibility) : when the watchman of the junkyard hear her training and comes to check, she turns invisible
* Exemplar/PK? (speed) : able to run as fast as a car through the city, might involve some PK but probably not
* ESP (?) : Tawny said "And [Silver Ghost] did some of the best evasive running that I've ever seen. It was like he knew which way that I was gonna turn, even before I did.", but from seeing the scene from Stacy's pov we know that's not the case, she was just running without thinking about where she was going, trying to lose Tawny. It might be precog, but she didn't have any idea where Tawny was going to be, she was more trying to find a path that'd lose Tawny. So possibly more of that "dowsing", finding the best path to avoid Tawny, or maybe even straight Paragon to instinctively know the best evasive running moves (although it was more path selection than running skills). Note that since Stacy had her PK invisibility up at the time, any ESP would have been severely limited (due to the PDP inherent weakness) which means that it might have just been plain luck and not a power, but since they ran for a long time and Tawny got a consistent impression that Stacy was extremely good at that, this would be a very unlikely event. Note that since Tawny was apparently following Stacy's heat trail rather than actually seeing her run, Stacy might have had ESP flashes of insight on where to run flickering back into view but without anyone to see her (or maybe the invisibility takes an instant to disappear after she releases her "PK hold" on it like the PK constructs Cavalier and Judicator use), so this might be how she managed that.
* ESP (dowsing) : Stacy found that she could just sort of know where the safe was hidden, built right into the guy's desk, which is once again the ability to spot the thing she needs
ESP (?) : the same way that she just knew where the safe was, she also knew when the catches - tumblers, she thought they were called - inside the combination mechanism had caught, which is not a power I can clearly name, but it might be clairvoyance, the power to see through obstacles or distance (here it is only through obstacles of course) ; at least since it's not about knowing how to turn but when the thing clicks it's not a Paragon power
* Exemplar/ESP (danger sense) : When she was running away from the Green Witch her panic was so complete that she almost ignored the sudden sense that something was really wrong, which was her sensing the magical trap ; since she only rarely shows that sort of danger sense it's probably an ESP power that isn't on all the time rather than part of her Exemplar mental package (for example she noticed Danny was going to shoot her head off with empathy, not this danger sense)
* PK (silver PK-field) : when shot by a .50 cal rotary railgun : "The rounds would have cut right through her if she hadn't silvered up with a squeak. Even through her silver, the bullets hit as hard as George ever did. The rest of the bullets tore through the roof, leaving a trail of holes.", so we have a much better indication of how tough she is, and even a hint at the limit of how much she can take
* PK (displacement field) : "Manticore ran up the side of the wall, with the railgun sketching a trail of bullets that somehow never quite managed to connect.", which might be because of a PK field pushing the bullet away from her ; where the standard PK-supergirl force field stops the attack with raw power, that could be the effect of something more subtle that just modify the trajectory of the projectile enough for them to miss ... or it might just be luck, but given Manticore's skill and surprise it makes sense to assume supernatural intervention here
* PK (wall running) : while avoiding Manticore Stacy runs on the wall, rather than fly up or limit herself to jump, this looks like a way for her to use less PK power to achieve the same result, possibly because she's also using a PK displacement field (see above) so she needs to save on power, or because she can run faster than she can fly
* PK (telekinesis) : grabbing a staff on the ground from atop a building is much more impressive than making tiny objects move a few inches, so recovering the Green Witch staff was the first time Stacy did some significant telekinesis (since the staff was lost in the chaos of the melee while she was busy escaping, she might have had to find it through ESP, although there's no way to tell that as the scene is from the pov of the witch)
* Psy (image snatching) : she get the image of Danny getting the gun, then some coke, it's not mind-reading proper but simply extracting one image from a memory relevant to what's being talked about (Stacy's Psy powers seems to be very limited, especially compared to the awesome PK side)
* Psy (sensing sincerity) : while every clear example of empathy is careful to use the term "feel" and even emphasizes it, when she uses her lie-detection power it is careful to use and re-use the word "sense", which hints at something different than empathy, and reading someone's sincerity and determination (to never hurt her for example) would fit neatly in Psy, so this specific power is probably Psy rather than Empathy
* ESP : about the fact that she's a wanted felon, Stacy narrates "No, she knew, she just KNEW, that if she tried to run, that somehow it would follow her.", which is either Precog, or Common Sense, but since she just used the latter to avoid being convinced by Danny it's most likely this one
* Psy (mind reading) : she managed to peep into Leonard Hoag's mind to know which stop was the one where he was hiding his ledger, from inside his car's trunk ; since she knew what thought she was looking for and it was at the forefront of his thoughts, it's not a very impressive feat, but it still denotes some amount of control and subtlety
* ESP (???) : inside the Green Witch's secret cave here's what Stacy notices "They were interspersed with other, more mundane looking areas. There was an odd... fuzziness... that Stacy could just barely make out about them. ", which is an extra sensory perception of some sort, except that we don't know what it is she's sensing, so it's difficult to tell what sort of ESP power this is
* Exemplar (& PDP) : Stacy was just picking up what people meant a lot more easily now. And she just remembered a lot better. And numbers didn't seem as hard as they used to. This is the basic mental Exemplar package, if I note PDP it's because it is extremely common for PDPs to have the same thing, even when they aren't Exemplars.
* Psy/ESP (sensing hostility) : when meeting the Wickahms Stacy picked up from... something... just a sense that they'd been picking at each other. But the second that Karen introduced her as the girl that she'd taken in, the Wickhams sort of fell in, like a pack of wolves drawing together against an outside threat.
* Psy (mind reading or sense motives) : "One of them, a glossy-looking blonde glamour-puss broke from the pack and greeted Stacy with this big plastic grin, saying how nice it was to have someone new in the house. Like she was living there. She wanted to, and she wanted her husband to inherit the house and as much of the Wickham fortune as he possibly could. She regarded Stacy as a threat, to her, to her husband, to her daughter, and most especially to their chances of winning big in the inheritance sweepstakes. Of course, she didn't SAY that, but Stacy was picking up on her, loud and clear."
* ESP (clairvoyance) : It was fiddling little work, but Stacy found that if she concentrated, she could sort of 'see' things, even if they were hidden by another component or something like that.
* Exemplar/Psy (Psy resistance) : she was the first one to shrug off the effect of Doctor Diabolik's mind web, and she did it pretty easily, so it's likely she's getting Psy resistance from her Exemplar mental package, and possibly some more from her Psy power
[Updated on: Fri, 20 January 2012 03:28]
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| Re: Stacy aka Silver Ghost [message #52022 is a reply to message #52019 ] |
Thu, 19 January 2012 20:40   |
rubberjohn Messages: 375 Registered: May 2011 Location: South East Coast UK |
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There was a great deal of speculation about Stacy in the Story Feedback Thread but, having just checked, it looks as though it was a victim of the Great Crash.
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| Re: Stacy aka Silver Ghost [message #52023 is a reply to message #52019 ] |
Thu, 19 January 2012 20:55   |
khade Messages: 1587 Registered: May 2011 Location: Rockies |
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Might I suggest some slightly different formatting, like each different category, exemplar, psi, PDP being a different color, and some separation of quote and theory?
My theory is that she is a rare mixture of Exemplar, PDP with other separate psychic knacks(paragon being the only one I can define right now), and toggleable TK brick.
Her exemplar rating is probably 4/6, maybe 5/6, first number being physical, and second being mental, and gives her the danger sense and some capacity to read people, which might combine well with her limited capacity to read people psychically or might mess with it.
Her TK shield is powerful, since Manticore would have been armed with brick killing bullets, and even if he wasn't, a minigun is still nasty.
Her paragon ability is strong, but isn't automatic unless she's seriously out of it, maybe it's mostly working on making her seem more like a girl to people, and I'm pretty sure she isn't actually aware of it.
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| Re: Stacy aka Silver Ghost [message #52036 is a reply to message #52019 ] |
Fri, 20 January 2012 03:17   |
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Sojiro Messages: 1652 Registered: November 2011 |
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Manifestor, why?
Also PK brick is part of the PDP package, just look at Redlight (and Confundus if I remember correctly), as well as Paragon. Not to mention I don't think she's a paragon at all.
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| Re: Stacy aka Silver Ghost [message #52038 is a reply to message #52023 ] |
Fri, 20 January 2012 03:41   |
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Sojiro Messages: 1652 Registered: November 2011 |
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| khade wrote on Fri, 20 January 2012 02:55 | Might I suggest some slightly different formatting, like each different category, exemplar, psi, PDP being a different color
| Done. | khade wrote on Fri, 20 January 2012 02:55 | and some separation of quote and theory?
| They're both he same thing, namely arguments explaining what happened. Most are quotes or paraphrases, the rest is a more in depth explanation showcasing what happens. I don't think that separating the few times when I specifically point out how powers work would be better for legibility.
| khade wrote on Fri, 20 January 2012 02:55 | My theory is that she is a rare mixture of Exemplar, PDP with other separate psychic knacks(paragon being the only one I can define right now), and toggleable TK brick.
| I see no reason those knacks have to be anything but her PDP powers. Also I don't see Paragon here, as she doesn't really demonstrate outstanding skill at anything (and even less at everything). No flash of insight of how to do things "just right".
| khade wrote on Fri, 20 January 2012 02:55 | Her exemplar rating is probably 4/6, maybe 5/6, first number being physical, and second being mental, and gives her the danger sense and some capacity to read people, which might combine well with her limited capacity to read people psychically or might mess with it.
| Wait, what? Ok, first the fact that she has to strain to lift any carcass of a junked car means that 4 is unlikely, and 5 downright impossible. Next she definitely does not show ultra fast reading speed or eidetic memory. She "remembers better", which is a far cry from "remember everything perfectly with no effort whatsoever". Next, no matter the Exemplar rating it won't let someone read minds! That's a Psy power. And given that Stacy definitely has a Psy power for getting information right out of people's mind, there's no reason to assume any part of her ability to read people comes from an Exemplar mental package. Add to this the fact that since her Psy is so limited, it would argue against an Exemplar power strengthening it. And we don't know that a Danger Sense would mandate an Exemplar rating above 3, not to mention that she showed it so rarely that it is unlikely to be an "always on" power (which would be the case if it was Exemplar).
| khade wrote on Fri, 20 January 2012 02:55 | Her TK shield is powerful, since Manticore would have been armed with brick killing bullets, and even if he wasn't, a minigun is still nasty.
| Railgun minigun, yeah. Nasty.
| khade wrote on Fri, 20 January 2012 02:55 | Her paragon ability is strong, but isn't automatic unless she's seriously out of it, maybe it's mostly working on making her seem more like a girl to people, and I'm pretty sure she isn't actually aware of it.
| lolwut?
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| Re: Stacy aka Silver Ghost [message #52046 is a reply to message #52019 ] |
Fri, 20 January 2012 08:08   |
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Sojiro Messages: 1652 Registered: November 2011 |
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Why do you separate PK and TK?
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| Re: Stacy aka Silver Ghost [message #52048 is a reply to message #52046 ] |
Fri, 20 January 2012 09:05   |
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mrudat Messages: 190 Registered: May 2011 Location: Canberra, Australia |
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| Sojiro wrote on Sat, 21 January 2012 00:08 | Why do you separate PK and TK?
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I'm not certain I'm using the terms right, but isn't it PK-brick, and Telekinetic? ie. unconscious protective field, and conscious manipulative field?
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| Re: Stacy aka Silver Ghost [message #52050 is a reply to message #52048 ] |
Fri, 20 January 2012 09:58   |
awjs Messages: 524 Registered: May 2011 Location: U.S.A. |
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| mrudat wrote on Fri, 20 January 2012 08:05 | | Sojiro wrote on Sat, 21 January 2012 00:08 | Why do you separate PK and TK?
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I'm not certain I'm using the terms right, but isn't it PK-brick, and Telekinetic? ie. unconscious protective field, and conscious manipulative field?
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PK and TK are just two ways to say the same thing:
| Whateley Wiki | Besides moving objects, telekinesis (TK), also known as psychokinesis (PK), can also do far more subtle things, such as setting things on fire, freezing them, or controlling electricity. TK levels are measured in both strength and control, as in TK-3c. Sometimes a range is added: TK-4b-50 is limited to 50 yards of controllable range.
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adding the "-brick" at the end of either is a nonofficial label used in everyday talk, same as "PK Superman". In fact "TK(PK)-brick" and "PK Superman" mean the same thing and are interchangeable [thought the superman one tends to mean they can also fly].
I am pretty sure that Stacy has a small amount of telepathy so she should get the TP rating. I am in the group thinking she is an EX/PDP, and a rare one at that since she can use her ESP and possibly TP while she has her PK-field up. I refer you to the time she was running from that superhero (the cat one) through the train yard and seem to just know which way the hero was planning on cutting her off, it wasn't a paragon trait because if it was I doubt she would of ended up at a dead-end needing to learn how to fly to get away.
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| Re: Stacy aka Silver Ghost [message #52053 is a reply to message #52050 ] |
Fri, 20 January 2012 11:37   |
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Sojiro Messages: 1652 Registered: November 2011 |
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| awjs wrote on Fri, 20 January 2012 15:58 | I am pretty sure that Stacy has a small amount of telepathy so she should get the TP rating.
| What does TP means? And yes, she definitely has mind reading abilities, see above (the royal blue entries to be specific).
| awjs wrote on Fri, 20 January 2012 15:58 | I am in the group thinking she is an EX/PDP, and a rare one at that since she can use her ESP and possibly TP while she has her PK-field up. I refer you to the time she was running from that superhero (the cat one) through the train yard and seem to just know which way the hero was planning on cutting her off, it wasn't a paragon trait because if it was I doubt she would of ended up at a dead-end needing to learn how to fly to get away.
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The reason it doesn't look like Paragon is that she was not doing some awesome evasive running moves and otherwise showing off incredible skill, she just knew where to go. Making one mistake out of dozens of choices just means it's not absolutely 100% reliable.
And this is an example I discuss above. There are a couple ways to explain how she used that ESP power while fleeing.
| dpragan wrote on Fri, 20 January 2012 16:34 | Might be reading too much into the PK shell's coloring is all. (Man 1 at most unless the PK shell is really a Man one)
| Yeah, you are. A silver field is just a type of PK field (like Hank's) which reflects lights like a metal instead of being transparent. That's no different from Mirror's PK-field. This is pure PK, no Manifestor trait needed for that.
[Updated on: Fri, 20 January 2012 11:37]
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| Re: Stacy aka Silver Ghost [message #52057 is a reply to message #52019 ] |
Fri, 20 January 2012 12:39   |
kd7mvs Messages: 668 Registered: March 2009 Location: Tacoma, WA |
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PDPs can only use one skill at a time. There's been lots of speculation about high level PDPs using different aspects at the same time, but no canonical evidence; canon is very clear that PDP is effectively one power slot, into which you can drop one of three abilities, and only one of three abilities, at a time. That's the whole drawback of PDP, and the thing that makes it a PDP.
Well, maybe. I just read through the forum write-up on Package Deal Psychics, and it does say "usually" before describing the one at a time power scenario, which leaves open the "not usually" option. Silver Ghost would be the first canon example of this exception if she's a PDP.
I'm from the school of thought that says Stacy has a number of abilities which can operate at the same time, standard abilities not exceptional PDP. It works much easier that way. I haven't read Silver Linings enough times to have her power set down, so I can't off the top of my head give supporting examples; my memory is bad for learning things without repetition. But to me it seems that a PDP who can use the abilities at the same time isn't a PDP, but rather someone with all three abilities.
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| Re: Stacy aka Silver Ghost [message #52058 is a reply to message #52057 ] |
Fri, 20 January 2012 13:16   |
Isodecan Messages: 844 Registered: May 2011 Location: Fort Worth, TX |
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There is also some evidence that Stacy is sensitive to and can manipulate magical energies| Silver Linings Part 2 | Stacy peered closely at the painting. "What's that funny mark on her forehead?"
Karen stopped in mid-gesture. "Oh, you can see it? Well, THAT is the Enochian word for 'Blindness'. I wrote it over where her 'third eye' should be. That image that Jettatura created of herself is a sort of surrogate for her. So, by the Laws of Magic, with that word written over her third eye, in this place she is effectively blind. This is one place on Earth where she is magically incapable of scrying into."
Stacy nodded. "So, by pointing that blinded painting so's it's always looking at the vault, the vault is something that she can never find, no matter how hard she looks for it?"
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| Silver Linings Part 5 | Stacy flew invisibly at the group, but almost broke her nose on an invisible wall that was (among other things) keeping Sobek's waters away from the infernals. Stacy pounded at the shield without any affect. Then she started working at it with her fingers, and she found that if she sort of slipped her hand in, rather than slamming at it, she could get past it. She slipped through, grabbed the goon holding the cross, and pulled him off his feet. Dropping her invisibility, she ripped the cross from his hands and threw him at Lady Jettatura, temporarily dropping both of them. Stacy moved past the shield again and yelled, "Gee-Dubyew! Catch!" She threw the ankh to Karen.
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This would suggest that she might have either a human mage talent or a mutant Wiz talent.
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| Re: Stacy aka Silver Ghost [message #52059 is a reply to message #52057 ] |
Fri, 20 January 2012 13:37   |
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Sojiro Messages: 1652 Registered: November 2011 |
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The first example may or may not indicate magical sensibility. She might have simply seen a weird drawing on her forehead. Additionally, magic sensibility is not the same as a Wiz rating, which is about the ability to gather and store Essence, just look at Ayla who is Wiz-0 but quite good at sensing magic. If she had a Wiz rating there would have been some sort of effect from all that Essence gathering all the time inside her, and the Green Witch couldn't have missed that kind of magical power concentration.
That second quote could hint at manipulating magical energy, but it could just as well be that the barrier was less effective against pushing than bashing, and she discovered this through trial and error.
It is extremely unlikely that Stacy has a Wiz rating. Some magical affinity is a definite possibility, but we barely have any hint to that.
| kd7mvs wrote on Fri, 20 January 2012 18:39 | PDPs can only use one skill at a time. There's been lots of speculation about high level PDPs using different aspects at the same time, but no canonical evidence; canon is very clear that PDP is effectively one power slot, into which you can drop one of three abilities, and only one of three abilities, at a time. That's the whole drawback of PDP, and the thing that makes it a PDP.
Well, maybe. I just read through the forum write-up on Package Deal Psychics, and it does say "usually" before describing the one at a time power scenario, which leaves open the "not usually" option. Silver Ghost would be the first canon example of this exception if she's a PDP.
| We have seen very little detailed example of PDPs using their power, so this doesn't really mean anything. We have been told that PDP can use several types of power at a time, but it takes a lot of power and seriously limits the user. And as I said a couple times, there are alternative explanations.
| kd7mvs wrote on Fri, 20 January 2012 18:39 | I'm from the school of thought that says Stacy has a number of abilities which can operate at the same time, standard abilities not exceptional PDP. It works much easier that way. I haven't read Silver Linings enough times to have her power set down, so I can't off the top of my head give supporting examples; my memory is bad for learning things without repetition. But to me it seems that a PDP who can use the abilities at the same time isn't a PDP, but rather someone with all three abilities.
| We have all of one example of Stacy potentially using several powers at a time, which has several alternative explanations that wouldn't require that.
If you don't want to bother looking through Silver Linings to check her powers, that's OK, that's why I spent all that time making the list above.
We have a lot of powers. Way too much for all of them to be independent powers.
back to the "Exemplar 5-6" issue now:| Quote: | Two of them grabbed her by the arms, and a third one clocked her on the side of the head with the barrel of his gun. Stacy went down, and they took the case from her. But Stacy was still tough enough that she cleared her head in time to see two of the four men heading off the roof through another door.
| An exemplar that powerful wouldn't be knocked down (and out for a few seconds) by a baseline using an improvised weapon. If she was Ex5+ she wouldn't even have felt that.
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