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Shifter questions [message #45024] Mon, 29 August 2011 12:59 Go to next message
Steven  is currently offline Steven
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I am in a WA Rp on another forum, in which I play a Shifter. I would like to know where I can learn more about the powers and what else I would need to know to not break the rules of the universe Razz

So can anyone recommend a story or something that would help let me know what is possible, or any facts other then the wiki to give me some more background on the power?

[Updated on: Mon, 29 August 2011 22:50]

Re: Shifter questions [message #45056 is a reply to message #45024 ] Tue, 30 August 2011 02:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kristin Darken  is currently offline Kristin Darken
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Shifter power sets run a really wide gamut of potential. From just a slight alteration of appearance (external only), to the classic two forms (werewolf) shift, to restricted body part shift (turning the fist into a hammer), up to fully changing from one body (down to the DNA or even ultra-dimensional level) to another. Additionally, the high end Shifters is where a lot of the power mimick effects come into play (as mutant powers link an extra-dimensional power source to fuel certain traits and this uses a genetic or ultra-dimensional template such as the BIT as the basis for that power to exist).

If you want a look at the really high end Shifter from the WU, take a look at my Fling character or Jimmy-T. Those are two perspectives/directions that shifting can go to... though keep in mind that both are very powerful/flexible potential compared to the average in the universe.


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Re: Shifter questions [message #45057 is a reply to message #45056 ] Tue, 30 August 2011 02:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thank you, I wanted my char to be a very powerful Shifter and I wanted to know what is and is not really possible with their power. Mostly there are two things I really wanted to know 1: can clothing be shifted, if it is being worn and 2: how can powers be mimicked, is it by taking a form of someone with it, or just by wanting to use said powers.

I'll check out those char and hopefully I can get my answer Very Happy

[Updated on: Tue, 30 August 2011 04:40]

Re: Shifter questions [message #45066 is a reply to message #45057 ] Tue, 30 August 2011 08:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Steven wrote on Tue, 30 August 2011 07:26
Thank you, I wanted my char to be a very powerful Shifter and I wanted to know what is and is not really possible with their power. Mostly there are two things I really wanted to know 1: can clothing be shifted, if it is being worn and 2: how can powers be mimicked, is it by taking a form of someone with it, or just by wanting to use said powers.

I'll check out those char and hopefully I can get my answer Very Happy



1. Shifter 'clothing' is effectively their skin. If they are wearing normal clothing, it may (or may not) be absorbed in the shift (see also possible magical effects of clothing 'disappearing' as part of the process).

Someone like Jimmy T manifiests his clothing, and as such it is a part of him. He also can create biological processes (including secreting acid strong enough to quickly eat through concrete) so if he was wearing normal clothes, he would be able to absorb them into himself as he shifted. Heck, he is a good-enough shifter that he could probably create an internal 'pouch' to hold them safely until he needed them (ie shift around them and store them until needed).

Someone like Jamie, however, does not so much 'shift' as get overwritten by the spirit he is currently housing. As such, he would not absorb clothing (or be able to manifest any), and may well split the seams of clothing if his proportions change much.

2. Power mimicing is a separate issue. A high-end shifter (again like Jimmy T) can manifest other powers (in his case, I believe it to be an EN rating). Again it will depend on the shifter.

You could run it as a shifter/power mimic that 'needs' to assume the target shape in order to access the target's power style (this would be a mental block, as it were).

Just remember that shifting, of itself, does not automatically guarrantee being able to mimic the power used by the person you have shifted into.

Have Fun!
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Re: Shifter questions [message #45076 is a reply to message #45024 ] Tue, 30 August 2011 09:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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And there is the thing that if you can shift such that you obtain additional powers, you still have to figure out how to use them; proficiency doesn't come with the shift, just the potential to have the powers.


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Re: Shifter questions [message #45089 is a reply to message #45024 ] Tue, 30 August 2011 13:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thank you for your responses. The clothing thing makes sense to me like that, I guess mystique from X-men is somehow like it would work.

As for power mimicking, I would like my char to be learn to do so, as I believe it would fit for a reason to better accept their powers, but also allow new possibility to interaction with others.

Also I figured as much as learning powers, as my char is still trying to learn theirs, but still there could be some effects that are less restrictive to knowing how to use them and more about just having them.
Re: Shifter questions [message #45116 is a reply to message #45024 ] Tue, 30 August 2011 19:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The Canon Materials section of the forum probably has a lot of information you could use, not sure if they've done much with shifters, but I think they have. And the Canon Materials Comments have a ton of conjectures on the reader's part.

My advice is to decide more or less how powerful you want the character, but don't set that in stone, in case you need to change it, I assume it's more group storytelling then official game play(can't remember what it's called right now).
Re: Shifter questions [message #45125 is a reply to message #45116 ] Tue, 30 August 2011 21:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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khade wrote on Tue, 30 August 2011 19:53
I assume it's more group storytelling then official game play(can't remember what it's called right now).

RP, or Role Play Smile

Well I want my char to be powerful, but take time to really understand and control her powers.

I forgot to say, but the mental block in place for her, keeping her a girl and unable to return to her own original male body.
Re: Shifter questions [message #45127 is a reply to message #45024 ] Tue, 30 August 2011 21:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ha! Figured it out, I'm assuming it's a free-form RP rather then a fully stated out one.
Re: Shifter questions [message #45143 is a reply to message #45127 ] Wed, 31 August 2011 01:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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khade wrote on Tue, 30 August 2011 21:52
Ha! Figured it out, I'm assuming it's a free-form RP rather then a fully stated out one.



yup,Still I'd like to get a better understanding about what is realistic in the universe, so i can get a better understanding about what i can/can't do with the powers
Re: Shifter questions [message #45163 is a reply to message #45143 ] Wed, 31 August 2011 10:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Steven wrote on Tue, 30 August 2011 23:48
khade wrote on Tue, 30 August 2011 21:52
Ha! Figured it out, I'm assuming it's a free-form RP rather then a fully stated out one.



yup,Still I'd like to get a better understanding about what is realistic in the universe, so i can get a better understanding about what i can/can't do with the powers


You might want to post your character design so we can take pot shots at it.

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Re: Shifter questions [message #45167 is a reply to message #45163 ] Wed, 31 August 2011 13:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think your pot shots are just going to say I got everything wrong Razz

I'll post it later, when I have some more time Very Happy
Re: Shifter questions [message #45176 is a reply to message #45024 ] Wed, 31 August 2011 16:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, the only way to be sure you understand the Whateley Universe well enough to RP in it correctly is to read all the stories. Shouldn't be anything stopping you, its not like we charge money for them. Smile


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Re: Shifter questions [message #45179 is a reply to message #45176 ] Wed, 31 August 2011 17:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes read them all. Smile
It only took me about 3 to 3.5 months to read them all. Very Happy
Of course this was last year when I did not have a job and there have been some additions since then. Rolling Eyes
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Re: Shifter questions [message #45204 is a reply to message #45176 ] Wed, 31 August 2011 22:35 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Kristin Darken wrote on Wed, 31 August 2011 16:34
Well, the only way to be sure you understand the Whateley Universe well enough to RP in it correctly is to read all the stories. Shouldn't be anything stopping you, its not like we charge money for them. Smile



nothing except time, selective memory (Razz), and selective reading interest (Some kind of story's I just can't get into)

Still I will try to get into as many as I can.
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