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| Cryo stasis Fact or super Fanfic [message #43983] |
Wed, 27 July 2011 01:10  |
 curiousreader
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So I was rewatching the movie "Forever Young" with mel Gibson, and I had a thought.
Can cryo stasis exsist in the Whateley U?
I even came up with a character to use it with. Let me know what you think.
Motor City Man (Incoming Freshman fall Term 07 - Male) Ex5, Pk 2
Name: Michael Strickland
Height: 5, 11 ft. (1.96 m)
Weight: 167 lbs. (112.3 kg)
Age (Date of birth): June 8, 1958 age 16, at time of Incident
Hair: Black afro
Eyes: Dark brown
Build/body type: Stocky Solid body
Race/Ethnicity/Religion: Human/African-American/Baptist
Place Of Birth: Detroit, Michigan
Assoc: None
Appearance: Is a man of his time. He has a young face that id starting to show stubble, and a large afro on his head.
General Description: In 1974 Michael Strickland was a young mutant living in Detroit Michigan; he decided to become a superhero named Motor city man in honor of Detroit. He start off small with local gangs and drug pusher in his neighborhood, was working his way up. When his brother was taken by a super-villain named Dr. Maniac, who was looking to experiment with the genetics of mutants, to unlock how some sibling gain powers while some don't. In the battle to save his brother, Dr.Maniac hit the self destuct bottom on hissecret lair and Motor man is trapped in a cryo unit and is frozen in time for 32 year, when he is discovered by another superhero group that finds his tank. Now he must learn to cope with this new time and the fact that his family is now grown and have moved on without him.
Powers: Michael is a rarity of his time period, being one of a dozen or so people that where Ex-5 upper lift limit 5,600 pounds, he also has a PK shield on his body that helps to make his skin even tougher and durable. As of yet he cannot fly.
Personality: He's black and he's proud.
Skills: He is a brown belt in Karate, and judo, from the Grand master Wong dojo in Detroit.
Weakness: He has many of the normal human weakness, from Mages, to Psi's and Sirens.
[Updated on: Wed, 27 July 2011 01:10]
Nothing is impossible, it's just that somethings are less likely then others. -Author Unknown
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| Re: Cryo stasis Fact or super Fanfic [message #43985 is a reply to message #43983 ] |
Wed, 27 July 2011 02:07  |
khade
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Cryogenics are a valid technology in the Whateley verse, it's used extensively in ARC, mostly for villains that they don't know how to kill, and might be used for people they can't help, but suspect they will be able to in the future, I suspect that Puppet will eventually be frozen in hopes of future tech being able to help her.
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| Re: Cryo stasis Fact or super Fanfic [message #43990 is a reply to message #43983 ] |
Wed, 27 July 2011 02:52 |
khade
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I think in this case, they were never supposed to be released, but couldn't be killed. Though i think I agree. Though there is some indication that they were working with them, trying to cure them, but probably only had one of them thawed at any time.
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| Re: Cryo stasis Fact or super Fanfic [message #43993 is a reply to message #43991 ] |
Wed, 27 July 2011 05:12 |
Gore17
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| oljak.eru wrote on Wed, 27 July 2011 18:17 | Bah. If you can freeze them, then you can kill them unless total vaporisation is not enough. Frozen they can be sent out of the solar system, into the sun, or any number of other similar treatments.
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I think they might also be studying them to create more effective counter measure, how their powers work and various other things. Of course, some of them could also be on a life sentence, but is too dangerous or tricky to just them be active.
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| Re: Cryo stasis Fact or super Fanfic [message #44000 is a reply to message #43993 ] |
Wed, 27 July 2011 12:00 |
Avatard
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| Gore17 wrote on Wed, 27 July 2011 02:12 | | oljak.eru wrote on Wed, 27 July 2011 18:17 | Bah. If you can freeze them, then you can kill them unless total vaporisation is not enough. Frozen they can be sent out of the solar system, into the sun, or any number of other similar treatments.
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I think they might also be studying them to create more effective counter measure, how their powers work and various other things. Of course, some of them could also be on a life sentence, but is too dangerous or tricky to just them be active.
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How do you have a "life sentence" when in stasis? You don't age or if you do it is like a 1:64 or something ratio. You waste HUGE amounts in money holding this person over just killing them.
I never understood cryo/stasis jail. I agree with Nocte, the prisoner doesn't learn anything and it would be cheaper in the end for most prisoners to go to a regular type jail. If you have a prisoner with the death penalty who you can't kill through mundane or easy means, but have the ability to have an orbital strike force then you can easily freeze them, send them up and launch them into the sun. Can't survive that and they will be frozen the entire way so no "horrible death experince".
The purpose of life is a life of purpose - Robert Byrne
Knick-knack grinned. “Increase power!” - Jade 6;
Now THAT is science!
Victim of the Great Crash of 2011. PHOENIX TIME!
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| Re: Cryo stasis Fact or super Fanfic [message #44004 is a reply to message #44000 ] |
Wed, 27 July 2011 13:33 |
nekoali
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Well to be honest, despite some attempts to rehabilitate criminals in regular jails, it is mostly just a place to hold them away from the public to serve their sentence. If they don't learn anything positive while in cryostasis prison, at least they aren't learning anything negative or committing/being victim of more criminal acts while in prison.
From the stories about ARC, I have to agree though, they only seem to use it in cases where there is no intention to ever release the prisoner, and they are to much a danger not to have them in stasis. Either they have shown that they have no intention to rehabilitate and continue to commit heinous crimes if let free, or simply being conscious was a danger to those around them because of their powers.
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| Re: Cryo stasis Fact or super Fanfic [message #44014 is a reply to message #43983 ] |
Wed, 27 July 2011 18:34 |
khade
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The Merry stories seem to indicate that Diedrick was being thawed occasionally and had a doctor working with him, but it requires tons of effort to rehabilitate just one supervillain.
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| Re: Cryo stasis Fact or super Fanfic [message #44026 is a reply to message #44000 ] |
Thu, 28 July 2011 06:51 |
Gore17
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| Avatard wrote on Thu, 28 July 2011 02:00 | | Gore17 wrote on Wed, 27 July 2011 02:12 | | oljak.eru wrote on Wed, 27 July 2011 18:17 | Bah. If you can freeze them, then you can kill them unless total vaporisation is not enough. Frozen they can be sent out of the solar system, into the sun, or any number of other similar treatments.
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I think they might also be studying them to create more effective counter measure, how their powers work and various other things. Of course, some of them could also be on a life sentence, but is too dangerous or tricky to just them be active.
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How do you have a "life sentence" when in stasis? You don't age or if you do it is like a 1:64 or something ratio. You waste HUGE amounts in money holding this person over just killing them.
I never understood cryo/stasis jail. I agree with Nocte, the prisoner doesn't learn anything and it would be cheaper in the end for most prisoners to go to a regular type jail. If you have a prisoner with the death penalty who you can't kill through mundane or easy means, but have the ability to have an orbital strike force then you can easily freeze them, send them up and launch them into the sun. Can't survive that and they will be frozen the entire way so no "horrible death experince".
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And they don't waste money for holding prisoners with life sentences now? Besides, how do we know that the Cryo stasis is expensive? For all we know, it could be incredibly cheap to run and maintain. Besides, ARC is a research organisation. Why kill them when you have free guinea pigs for experiments?
Besides, some of things being stored in Cryo are probably kept around for a reason. Would you want to kill the guy who has a deadman switch on his soul so that if he dies or the connection is severed, a disaster or Armageddon of some sort goes off? I certainly wouldn't.
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| Re: Cryo stasis Fact or super Fanfic [message #44031 is a reply to message #44026 ] |
Thu, 28 July 2011 10:30 |
Avatard
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| Gore17 wrote on Thu, 28 July 2011 03:51 | | Avatard wrote on Thu, 28 July 2011 02:00 | | Gore17 wrote on Wed, 27 July 2011 02:12 | | oljak.eru wrote on Wed, 27 July 2011 18:17 | Bah. If you can freeze them, then you can kill them unless total vaporisation is not enough. Frozen they can be sent out of the solar system, into the sun, or any number of other similar treatments.
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I think they might also be studying them to create more effective counter measure, how their powers work and various other things. Of course, some of them could also be on a life sentence, but is too dangerous or tricky to just them be active.
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How do you have a "life sentence" when in stasis? You don't age or if you do it is like a 1:64 or something ratio. You waste HUGE amounts in money holding this person over just killing them.
I never understood cryo/stasis jail. I agree with Nocte, the prisoner doesn't learn anything and it would be cheaper in the end for most prisoners to go to a regular type jail. If you have a prisoner with the death penalty who you can't kill through mundane or easy means, but have the ability to have an orbital strike force then you can easily freeze them, send them up and launch them into the sun. Can't survive that and they will be frozen the entire way so no "horrible death experince".
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And they don't waste money for holding prisoners with life sentences now? Besides, how do we know that the Cryo stasis is expensive? For all we know, it could be incredibly cheap to run and maintain. Besides, ARC is a research organisation. Why kill them when you have free guinea pigs for experiments?
Besides, some of things being stored in Cryo are probably kept around for a reason. Would you want to kill the guy who has a deadman switch on his soul so that if he dies or the connection is severed, a disaster or Armageddon of some sort goes off? I certainly wouldn't.
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My comment on cost is mostly based on comparision between the two. Cryo would cost a lot in power to keep it running nonstop forever (unless you got a age ratio like I said), not to mention whatever special chemicals, technicians, etc. I can see the guinea pig part for a place like ARC, but you have no way of knowing how cryo would affect the tests.
Your Deadman switch guy is oddly specific, but yes, he would be an actual ideal canidate for something like this. Someone like Maelstrom though should just be put down. The only reason I can see why the keep him alive is so they can do the "cure" thing because some bleeding-heart person got something passed through a court.
The purpose of life is a life of purpose - Robert Byrne
Knick-knack grinned. “Increase power!” - Jade 6;
Now THAT is science!
Victim of the Great Crash of 2011. PHOENIX TIME!
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| Re: Cryo stasis Fact or super Fanfic [message #44032 is a reply to message #44031 ] |
Thu, 28 July 2011 10:47 |
nekoali
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While I can't speak for the Whateley Universe New York, remember that a lot of states execution of criminals is illegal, no matter what they have done. Such is why Charlie Manson is still alive on the taxpayer's dime. They have no intention to ever let him out again, but they can't put him in the electric chair because that's not allowed in California.
So if you have a state that does not allow execution, but are holding a super villain that they have no hope of containing in a regular jail then keeping them in cold storage may be the only option.
As I understand from the ARC stories though, the people they keep in there are of the 'to dangerous to roam free' sorts. Even if they haven't been tried and found guilty of any crimes, like Merry was for a while.
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| Re: Cryo stasis Fact or super Fanfic [message #44036 is a reply to message #44032 ] |
Thu, 28 July 2011 14:56 |
Avatard
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| nekoali wrote on Thu, 28 July 2011 07:47 | While I can't speak for the Whateley Universe New York, remember that a lot of states execution of criminals is illegal, no matter what they have done. Such is why Charlie Manson is still alive on the taxpayer's dime. They have no intention to ever let him out again, but they can't put him in the electric chair because that's not allowed in California.
So if you have a state that does not allow execution, but are holding a super villain that they have no hope of containing in a regular jail then keeping them in cold storage may be the only option.
As I understand from the ARC stories though, the people they keep in there are of the 'to dangerous to roam free' sorts. Even if they haven't been tried and found guilty of any crimes, like Merry was for a while.
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Actually, it is legal to execute someone in California. The reason Charlie Mason is exempt is because of when he committed the crime he did. He also never personally killed anyone and the father of one of the victims actually comes to his parol hears to ask them to let him out... so he can kill him himself.
California v. Anderson was the case that outlawed the use of capital punishment. It was subsequently overruled by a state constitutional amendment, called Proposition 17. Under CvA Mason gets life instead of the needle.
The purpose of life is a life of purpose - Robert Byrne
Knick-knack grinned. “Increase power!” - Jade 6;
Now THAT is science!
Victim of the Great Crash of 2011. PHOENIX TIME!
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