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Hekate's master [message #33942] Tue, 31 March 2009 09:56 Go to next message
oljak.eru  is currently offline oljak.eru
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Just a quotes dump. Some of them have less connection to her master than others. Anything I missed?
So I'm a Freak. Sue Me.

The Turks or the Geek

Jade 6

Christmas Elves

It's All In The Timing

The Big Idea

[Updated on: Tue, 31 March 2009 10:10]


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Re: Hekate's master [message #33943 is a reply to message #33942 ] Tue, 31 March 2009 10:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think you actually mixed up TWO people: Hekate's Master and Avatar Scheme Patron.

The first one is Hekate's direct higher-up, who had interest in the Outcast Corner, Fey and Demona. He is primarily a magic user. Possible identity: Bastard, Syndarien, other GOO Sorcerer.

The second one was keeping contact with Don, who shared it with Kallista, and had interest in Avatars, and technologies. The second "suing" quote, I think, is obtaining means to an end. It is also most loosely based. His Avatar interest is likely stopping the Champion, with trials on lesser Forces, such as Magus and Astarte. He has a definite Devisor air about him, and possibly has more cronies at Whateley than he lets on. Possible identity: unknown at the time, but it's likely NOT Nimbus or Chessmaster, as those have shown different interests. Also I suspect it was he who got a villain-in-training team in Team Tactics, through a contact.


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Re: Hekate's master [message #33947 is a reply to message #33942 ] Tue, 31 March 2009 10:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I thought it was revealed to be the Necromancer at the end of Christmas elves

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[Updated on: Tue, 31 March 2009 10:48]


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Re: Hekate's master [message #33950 is a reply to message #33942 ] Tue, 31 March 2009 10:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No, he just knows the Necromancer.
Re: Hekate's master [message #33958 is a reply to message #33947 ] Tue, 31 March 2009 11:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Recheck Christmas Elves excerpt on thread, near the end. Said in plain words: Necromancer is NOT Hekate's Master.


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Re: Hekate's master [message #33960 is a reply to message #33958 ] Tue, 31 March 2009 11:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Which can also be discerned by the Master referring to Darrow as "that young fool" in the earlier Christmas Elves quote. Which also gives a hint of the Master's identity: he's somebody far older than the Necromancer -- and the Necromancer is no spring chicken.

So, for the time being, I'm going with The Bastard.

Now, what about this dead place where Hekate used to meet her master? I think it's worth naming. I suggest "Anti-Grove."


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Re: Hekate's master [message #33966 is a reply to message #33942 ] Tue, 31 March 2009 11:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The way I read it was that the Necromancer was hiding his true identity from Hekate by referring to "himself" as a young fool, and asset to be exploited and Hekate Lapped it up.
Darrow gets to be close, but maintain anonymity and detatchment from responsibility.

But Hey ho, since I'm the only one who thought this and I'm not THAT good at picking up subtle nuances I'll say I'm wrong and await future developments with interest.


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Re: Hekate's master [message #33974 is a reply to message #33943 ] Tue, 31 March 2009 12:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Faraway wrote on Tue, 31 March 2009 16:27

I think you actually mixed up TWO people: Hekate's Master and Avatar Scheme Patron.

The first one is Hekate's direct higher-up, who had interest in the Outcast Corner, Fey and Demona. He is primarily a magic user. Possible identity: Bastard, Syndarien, other GOO Sorcerer.
Don't forget Nimbus.
Faraway wrote on Tue, 31 March 2009 16:27

The second one was keeping contact with Don, who shared it with Kallista, and had interest in Avatars, and technologies. The second "suing" quote, I think, is obtaining means to an end. It is also most loosely based. His Avatar interest is likely stopping the Champion, with trials on lesser Forces, such as Magus and Astarte. He has a definite Devisor air about him, and possibly has more cronies at Whateley than he lets on. Possible identity: unknown at the time, but it's likely NOT Nimbus or Chessmaster, as those have shown different interests. Also I suspect it was he who got a villain-in-training team in Team Tactics, through a contact.
I think your take on that is backwards. It was Hekate having contact with the Alphas' patron, filling in the Don about it, not the opposite.




They may be different persons, yes. I don't have any deep delving proof for my speculation. But let me throw out some things for considering here:
  • Her master considers The Necromancer a "young fool".
  • Her master has something going out west, and we know two people with dark arts things going on out west - Nimbus and The Bastard.
  • The Bastard and The Necromancer have dealings with each other as seen from both perspectives.
  • Nimbus is a bio-devisor, going by the list given to Ayla of the top 30 bio-devisors.
  • Nimbus is involved in the dark arts as evidenced by the dark boon he sought from the ritual that summoned the demon in Ayla 6.
  • Nimbus was behind the implants in Merry - involving both the drug causing the mutant power surges in Merry and the dark arts that Aunghadhail thought were an abomination and should never have been present in any living being's body. Oh, and Stealth Technology, too!
  • The drug used on Merry may be the same drug that Hekate got for use on G-Force on Halloween. Symptoms sounded similar. Which means Nimbus has at least one known contact on campus, in Le Carneval.
  • We know Nimbus supplied devices for the Chessmaster. Possibly (or is that certainly?) including the sonic device on the roof of the McFarlane Auditorium and the other device on the roof of Hawthorne, which was doing something involving a thousand souls. Were they a thousand of souls screaming out their torment or something, explaining why mystics and psychics seemed to get affected harder and earlier than others?
  • We know the Alphas' patron is Syndicate and wanted the Alphas to not get involved in fighting them, and that the Alphas were the ones gassing the Senior party.
  • The symptoms of the drug used on Merry and G-Force sounds somewhat similar to - though weaker than - the Ultra-X-Amine which was used on Tennyo and a century earlier the Mystic Six. Which produced several really high powered avatars who bound very powerful spirits.
  • The Necromancer has fought Aunghadhail before the Boston Brawl - he fought Cirque as the Black Magus.
  • Cirque was experimenting with Ultra-X-Amine, testing on herself, making her powers really unpredictable. (Possibly the source of this drug Nimbus is using.)
  • Hekate's master knows about Aunghadhail to some extent, could be by word of mouth from others, could be personally.
  • The Bastard has somehow made a virus combining GOO and the GOO-opposing weres into the Voodoo Wolves.
  • Nimbus was the mastermind behind the kidnapping of Flashlight and Weasel as bait to capture Tennyo, and likely the provider of the power restraints used there. (I got the impression the Knights of the Eternal Presence were merely hirelings and Nimbus was the planner and provider of equipment.)
  • Syndarien hasn't been seen in the story yet (if he ever will). But Not-Nikki mentioned him as a different person from Nimbus.
  • There's a Syndarian in the Grand Hall of Sinister Wisdom.
  • The Necromancer is in the Grand Hall of Sinister Wisdom.
  • Syndarien is an ancient Unseelighe Host member Sidhe, former lover to Aunghadhail, knowledgeable in the dark arts.
  • The lost description of Syndarien in the wiki indicated that he wanted to gain control of Aunghadhail.
  • Diane Castle

    Grindhope and Syndarien may not even be in the Canon memory anymore. Who knows?



{edit}Forgot about Stealth Technology on the implants!{/edit}

[Updated on: Sun, 05 April 2009 20:40]


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Re: Hekate's master [message #33983 is a reply to message #33974 ] Tue, 31 March 2009 13:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Nimbus, Syndarien, Necromancer, Bastard...
All are interested in dark arts.
You know, I now think Nimbus is the same patron that rules the Avater scheme, he wanted a boon from a demon, he had dark arts knowledge, he is a biodev, he has knowledge of technology (evidenced by his sound scramblers)... Quite a busybody, isn't he?


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Re: Hekate's master [message #34013 is a reply to message #33943 ] Tue, 31 March 2009 16:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Faraway wrote on Tue, 31 March 2009 08:27

I think you actually mixed up TWO people: Hekate's Master and Avatar Scheme Patron.

The first one is Hekate's direct higher-up, who had interest in the Outcast Corner, Fey and Demona. He is primarily a magic user. Possible identity: Bastard, Syndarien, other GOO Sorcerer.

The second one was keeping contact with Don, who shared it with Kallista, and had interest in Avatars, and technologies. The second "suing" quote, I think, is obtaining means to an end. It is also most loosely based. His Avatar interest is likely stopping the Champion, with trials on lesser Forces, such as Magus and Astarte. He has a definite Devisor air about him, and possibly has more cronies at Whateley than he lets on. Possible identity: unknown at the time, but it's likely NOT Nimbus or Chessmaster, as those have shown different interests. Also I suspect it was he who got a villain-in-training team in Team Tactics, through a contact.


In addition, note that Hekate says "our patron," her magic tutor is hers and hers alone.

Also, the second quote from "I'm a Freak" I had put down to Belphegor, especially since Ms. Hartford mentioned something about that invention in Jobe 2.

I wouldn't put Nimbus out for bad guy # 2.

As far as the Hive Five are concerned, that could either be Nimbus going after Tennyo, or the Syndicate trying to get information on Fey and Generator. Remember that their entry was via Blackdraft (*), who is the Syndicate's member on the Whateley Board.

Xaltatun

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Re: Hekate's master [message #36591 is a reply to message #33966 ] Sat, 18 April 2009 22:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Smeggedoff wrote on Tue, 31 March 2009 10:37

The way I read it was that the Necromancer was hiding his true identity from Hekate by referring to "himself" as a young fool, and asset to be exploited and Hekate Lapped it up.
Darrow gets to be close, but maintain anonymity and detatchment from responsibility.

But Hey ho, since I'm the only one who thought this and I'm not THAT good at picking up subtle nuances I'll say I'm wrong and await future developments with interest.


Nope. Sir Lee is on the right track IMO (although I'm not so sure about The Bastard) :

Sir Lee wrote on Tue, 31 March 2009 10:29

Which can also be discerned by the Master referring to Darrow as "that young fool" in the earlier Christmas Elves quote. Which also gives a hint of the Master's identity: he's somebody far older than the Necromancer -- and the Necromancer is no spring chicken.

So, for the time being, I'm going with The Bastard.


And don't forget about the Thrall spell. That was GOO level nastiness, which I don't think Darrow/Necromancer has yet to play with.

Christmas Elves: Fey and Jade's Holiday Havoc

Hekate shuffled nervously, studying the parchment once more. She rolled her mouth around the tricky words, ensuring that her pronunciation was correct.

"...wgah'nagl fhtagn..."

This was challenging, since it wasn't really her preferred Latin, but rather an alien tongue that pre-dated both humans and sidhe. This particular parchment was a Latin translation (or transliteration, since it merely transcribed the sounds), and it was a priceless artifact. It appeared to be no more than words on paper, but even transcribed like this those words held terrible power. They couldn't be photographed or copied by machine. They could be copied by hand, but the scribes had an unfortunate tendency to go insane during the course of their work. Which made this particular scrap of paper immensely rare and literally priceless.

Casting the Thrall spell was not a job for the timid. Hekate had done so once before, and had spent several days recovering her composure. It required her to open herself to things which are best not named, not seen, not thought of.


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“Lord, no,” Jadis replied. “Sometimes, it gets weird.”

Hank Declan shook his head, disbelieving. "Tell me I did not just see them roshambo for victory."
Re: Hekate's master [message #36592 is a reply to message #33942 ] Sat, 18 April 2009 22:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm pretty sure Darrow has already dabbled in the merde.

Remember, he's Sara's _uncle_. Deep Ones and everything else.

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Re: Hekate's master [message #36638 is a reply to message #36592 ] Sun, 19 April 2009 05:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Besides which, doesn't he have ties to some bizarre alien entities? I'm sure that was mentioned in Boston Brawl 1.


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Re: Hekate's master [message #36641 is a reply to message #33942 ] Sun, 19 April 2009 05:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"From Christmas Elevs"

AFTERMATH TWO

Hekate was in tears, shaking in terror.

"You didn't see! It got him, and less than a minute later the front of his face just turned to rot! Right there on the plane! People with cell phones must have alerted the press, because we were practically mobbed by cameras as he tried to get off the plane. He used to be handsome, a good looking guy. Now his face looks like a skull! And the way his hair is falling out – even his eyebrows! What in God's name makes your eyebrows fall out?"

The old man leaned forward. "And this frightens you because...?"

"He did nothing! He lied about a contract. That's all. That's nothing compared to what I've done! What I have yet to do. I promised lives to the elementals – I swore oaths! But she invoked the rule of three... If Solicitor is paying that much, what will happen to me?"

"You actually saw the black hand take Solicitor?"

"Yes!" she shouted back, nearly insane with worry. "How else could I have raised my own shield in time? But it's still there, tapping, rapping, knocking at my shield, waiting to get in. Waiting to do even worse to me!"

The elderly man reached down to something at his belt, and fiddled or manipulated something for a brief period.

"There," he soothed. "That should provide you some relief. So long as you're here with me, you will be free of the attentions of the black hand. So long as you do exactly as I say..."

And Charles Picton Darrow smiled.

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Re: Hekate's master [message #36646 is a reply to message #36641 ] Sun, 19 April 2009 08:33 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Gemma, recheck 1st five posts of topic. Necromancer is NOT Hekate's Master, and you aren't the first to make that mistake (I also was, for a time).


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