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| mrudat wrote on Thu, 29 December 2011 10:27 |
On the subject, though. I think that there would be a greater increase in top speed for an exemplar on a bike, than an exemplar running, though for the higher levels of exemplar, they may end up with a ride that looks more like a motorbike than a pushbike, to end up with enough extra mass that they don't instantly pull a wheelie, and to be able to transmit the extra power to the ground...
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I think they'd also need some way to secure themselves to the bike, so that they're not just lifting themselves off the saddle. Otherwise, their own weight becomes a limiting factor.
One of those recumbant machines might work nicely, as it would allow them to brace their back and apply their full muscle power.
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| Re: What an exemplar and shifter is capible of [message #50351 is a reply to message #41622 ] |
Thu, 29 December 2011 21:22 |
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And what does any of this have to do with the airspeed of an African Swallow?
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| Re: What an exemplar and shifter is capible of [message #50367 is a reply to message #50351 ] |
Fri, 30 December 2011 04:04 |
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| khade wrote on Fri, 30 December 2011 13:22 | And what does any of this have to do with the airspeed of an African Swallow?
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Well... given that airspeed is a derived number, relating to strength, speed, wingspan, shape of wing, etc. Would the airspeed of an Exemplar African Swallow increase linearly with their strength, or would there be limiting factors, such as the change in geometry required to fly at, or exceed mach 1? Are there different parameters that apply to a light air-craft using flapping wings to provide thrust, as opposed to using some form of propeller, jet or rocket for propulsion? Would the increase exemplar rating come with heat-resistant plumage, a sleeker profile, the knowledge/ability to change wing profile in flight?
Equally, would two shifters with nominally the same rating, but with different degrees of skill be able to shift into an exemplar African Swallow, as opposed to an ordinary one?
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Also, "I don't know." *gets thrown off cliff*. =)
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| Re: What an exemplar and shifter is capible of [message #50379 is a reply to message #41622 ] |
Fri, 30 December 2011 08:17 |
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The easy answer is the one I've been throwing around for years. The ratings used by the Test Geeks are loosely associated with practical numbers in some instances... and thus can be used to say that JoeSuper can lift so much while JillVillain can only do half that. But really, what they're measuring is the means by which a given mutant does what they do.
An Examplar X streamlines the natural physique. All the parts are the same, they attach the same, and so on... but they're more efficient, more responsive, and that yields a higher than natural result. On the other hand, an Exemplar Y benefits from much higher cell specialization. Organs are different, tissue is more dense, it attaches differently, it feeds fuel and oxygen to each cell differently... and as a result, it performs much more effectively. It's human... sort of.
The ratings don't 'balance' out in the same way that they would if this were an RPG. An Exemplar 4 doesn't have to cost the same pts as a Shifter 4, and the two don't have to be able to go toe to toe because their powers are equal. What they do show is a somewhat useful relative comparison. Put an Exemplar 2 and an Exemplar 4 in a weight lifting content... and most times, the 4 is going to win. Use a 2 and a 3 and it might not be so certain, especially if there is any advantage possible from skill over raw talent/muscle. But that's of limited value... especially once you take it outside the core traits, or try to cross over between them. And its somewhat pointless to try to pigeonhole the exact measure of things based on these ratings. They're simply a reference point... and probably cause more confusion than answer questions.
Kristin Darken
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| Re: What an exemplar and shifter is capible of [message #50415 is a reply to message #50379 ] |
Fri, 30 December 2011 17:27 |
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| Kristin Darken wrote on Fri, 30 December 2011 14:17 |
An Examplar X streamlines the natural physique. All the parts are the same, they attach the same, and so on...
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Unless they have an unusual BIT, like Igneous for example.
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| Re: What an exemplar and shifter is capible of [message #50417 is a reply to message #41622 ] |
Fri, 30 December 2011 17:33 |
khade
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Actually, Sojiro, she just explained that, some exemplars are just streamlined humans, and others... aren't. They have similar results but the means can be very different.
With the current widely known system, the effect is shown, not the cause, with the system they are trying to use, the cause is shown but not the effect, first is more useful as shorthand for what can be done, but the second would be more useful to researchers and such to understand.
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Read the next part of the paragraph you quoted, the one you mentioned was just exemplar 1, the next part is exemplar 2, different people.
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| Re: What an exemplar and shifter is capible of [message #50847 is a reply to message #41622 ] |
Wed, 04 January 2012 10:54 |
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Sojiro
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Exemplar 7 is huge. Bullets are hard to block because they have a very high penetrating power (by focusing all the energy on one very small point) and their only defense against that is the toughness of their skin, which is limited. Direct skin toughness against penetration is close to the #1 thing generic Exemplars don't do well compared to other bricks.
I'm pretty sure he'd survive without much problem. Actual baselines have survived that sort of thing (although it's extremely rare), so they should be able to avoid instant death. And Regen 5 can fix a LOT, just look at jade.
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| Re: What an exemplar and shifter is capible of [message #50868 is a reply to message #50845 ] |
Wed, 04 January 2012 14:10 |
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| curiousreader wrote on Wed, 04 January 2012 15:39 |
2. How much sleep do Ex-? Have to have compared to normal humans?
Can say a 3 has to sleep less than a baseline and not suffer ill side effect. Because the body is more "streamline" than normal and in turn more efficient, then a baseline? In turn does a Ex-7 need to sleep more and an hour or two a night to keep going or does it not matter and people just like to sleep eight hours because that what they did before they got their powers?
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I'm sure that an Exemplar would recover from physical activity quite quickly. Someone at Ex-7 could probably keep going until they starved!
However, sleep is about more than just physical recovery. It's the mental effects which are more important and why sleep deprivation drives people nuts. So I doubt that an Exemplar would be much different from anyone else; perhaps tending towards the lower normal end, around 4 hours per night.
I suspect they could go without sleep for much longer than a baseline without obvious effects, but by that I just mean a few days, maybe a week. After that they'd start having problems with concentration, mood, halucinations and so on.
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| Re: What an exemplar and shifter is capible of [message #50878 is a reply to message #50845 ] |
Wed, 04 January 2012 16:33 |
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Diane Castle
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| curiousreader wrote on Wed, 04 January 2012 07:39 | He is traveling at terminal velocity for him is 195km/122mph, and is falling from a height of 24,000 feet, when the plane broke apart. I know that an Ex-7 can handle low to medium caliber bullets and get nothing but a bruise but this seems a bit larger in scale. I assume the potential kinetic energy of him hitting the ground is going to be huge.
How much sleep do Ex-? Have to have compared to normal humans?
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[1] Your math is wrong. His terminal velocity is going to be at least 180 mph (288 kph) even if he is in an optimal position. At that speed or higher, if he hits a solid surface, he won't survive. Regen will have no use at that point.
However, he's an EX-7. He could tear one of the plane's escape slides loose with his bare hands, and then have enough strength to hang onto it when it inflates. That should reduce his terminal velocity considerably.
And yes, you can assume his Regen is around Regen-5. Also, his reflexes are a lot faster than a baseline's.
But do you really want to make your character an EX-7? Are you going to be able to work interesting stories around a power set like that? Where's the dramatic tension?
[2] There is no rule about reduced sleep for Exemplars. If you want your character to do fine on three hours of sleep, you can do it. If you want him to like nine hours a night and sleeping in on a lazy Saturday morning, that's fine too.
Diane
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| Re: What an exemplar and shifter is capible of [message #50884 is a reply to message #50878 ] |
Wed, 04 January 2012 18:08 |
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| Diane Castle wrote on Wed, 04 January 2012 21:33 |
[1] Your math is wrong. His terminal velocity is going to be at least 180 mph (288 kph) even if he is in an optimal position.
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You sure about that? I've seen figures around 60m/s in several places for a spread-eagled human. 180mph is closer to the figure if the body is kept compact.
Whatever the figure, humans have survived high falls. Typically they land on something relatively soft, like a pine forest. (Toss up between whether it breaks your fall or impales you.) So if a hard, flat surface would kill an Ex 7, they'd presumably still need a lot less than a human to give them good odds of survival. A nice shrubbery, perhaps.
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| Re: What an exemplar and shifter is capible of [message #50903 is a reply to message #50884 ] |
Wed, 04 January 2012 21:19 |
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Yes humans have survived falls from aircraft without a parachute but it takes a rare combination of luck and circumstances. There is a tale from world war two where the rear gunner of a bomber was trapped in his turret when the aircraft broke up at around 30,000ft. By great good fortune the tail section, including his turret, remained sufficiently intact to act as a crude glider which floated relatively gently to the ground.
Other people have had the luck to land in deep snowdrifts or on relatively soft geography, such as trees which have already been mentioned. One option I have read of, though admittedly in a fictional context, is to use sky-diving techniques to adjust the angle at which you impact the ground.
Landing directly downwards (at 90 degrees) would be almost certainly instantly fatal, however if you can reduce the impact angle dramatically by encouraging forward movement, and especially if you can find a good sloping area, such as a hill or mountain side, in which to touch down, then the finally impact forces can be reduced to the point where survival may be an option. Especially so as your character has high rated regen. Incidentally it helps to have a convenient flock of sheep trapped in a snowdrift to act as a buffer at the end of the slide! ('Modesty Blaise - The Impossible Virgin' by Peter O'Donnell).
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| Re: What an exemplar and shifter is capible of [message #50914 is a reply to message #50878 ] |
Thu, 05 January 2012 00:50 |
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| Diane Castle wrote on Wed, 04 January 2012 16:33 | | curiousreader wrote on Wed, 04 January 2012 07:39 | He is traveling at terminal velocity for him is 195km/122mph, and is falling from a height of 24,000 feet, when the plane broke apart. I know that an Ex-7 can handle low to medium caliber bullets and get nothing but a bruise but this seems a bit larger in scale. I assume the potential kinetic energy of him hitting the ground is going to be huge.
How much sleep do Ex-? Have to have compared to normal humans?
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But do you really want to make your character an EX-7? Are you going to be able to work interesting stories around a power set like that? Where's the dramatic tension?
Diane
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Well I have an origin story set for him and her that will lead to them going to Whateley and shortly their after. After his story and that of 5 others are going to intertwine into one mash-up series. Although that question does lead to another question I have for everyone.
3. Is it possible in this reality to transfer some of an exemplar's abilities, and strength to another exemplar? Is there a way that you can think of that would allow, say a 7 to give some of his power to his wife or girlfriend to increase her Ex level from a 1 to a 3 or 4 perhaps?
Is there a plot twist so bazaar that it becomes reasonable to consider it? Like perhaps asking Sara for help in transferring power to make him weaker, and her stronger so they can get together.
Nothing is impossible, it's just that somethings are less likely then others. -Author Unknown
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