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| Gadgeteers vs person with high intelligence/mental exemplar [message #54306] |
Fri, 24 February 2012 22:47  |
 Palomon05
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In the Whateley Universe, what would distinguish a gadgeteer from a an individual with either very high intelligence or mental exemplar ratings?
The individual would likely have very good math skills, logic, and even potentially creativity. They would both have the ability to assimilate technical or engineering skills quickly. I envision someone like Diamondback who is exceptionally intelligent, not listed as a gadeteer but may enjoy math and science? I see devisors as technomages and being fundamentally different; however the aptitude tests used for classification, seem to me, to apply to both the exemplar and gadgeteer or genius.
What does the group see as differentiation characteristics?. From a technology creation standpoint which is more impressive a gadeteer 3, a mental exemplar 6 or a super genius with an IQ 210 with some tech training? Thanks
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| Re: Gadgeteers vs person with high intelligence/mental exemplar [message #54308 is a reply to message #54306 ] |
Sat, 25 February 2012 00:14  |
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mrudat
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The way I understand it: A very smart person could go A -> B -> C -> D ... -> Z, but will possibly need to build most of A .. Y in order to figure out how to build Z (and thus knows about A .. Y); a gadgeteer on the other hand goes from A -> D, or A -> H, or even A -> Z, without touching on any of the steps in between, but would probably need to nearly the same amount of work to then reach any of B .. Y. A devisor is able to go A -> Spaceship, even if (or perhaps, especially if) it doesn't follow the usual rules, like relativity, or inertia, or sense... =)
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| Re: Gadgeteers vs person with high intelligence/mental exemplar [message #54312 is a reply to message #54306 ] |
Sat, 25 February 2012 00:55 |
khade
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This reminds me of something about the Worn Wrench that bothers me, why do they require that you be a devisor or gadgeteer, when there are some people in the engineering track that aren't either, but still deserve to be part of it?
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| Re: Gadgeteers vs person with high intelligence/mental exemplar [message #54323 is a reply to message #54306 ] |
Sat, 25 February 2012 04:01 |
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Sojiro
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If you are neither, you have a different power and are therefore not a "soft" target whose only power is thinking. Which is the type of student the WW was made to protect.
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| Re: Gadgeteers vs person with high intelligence/mental exemplar [message #54333 is a reply to message #54306 ] |
Sat, 25 February 2012 08:50 |
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Sojiro
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And Generator ...
Seriously, though, I've heard "Devisor" used to mean "super genius inventor" several times, including Gadgeteer. Most people can't even tell the difference between those two anyway.
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| Re: Gadgeteers vs person with high intelligence/mental exemplar [message #54337 is a reply to message #54306 ] |
Sat, 25 February 2012 10:26 |
kd7mvs
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| Even Murphy's Law has Loopholes Chapter 4 | The crowd trickled in by clumps of threes and fives, as diverse as you'd expect from a campus like Whateley. Which, despite it being well past curfew that offered little real obstacle to a group of teenagers as exceptional as these. There were Capes and Masterminds, Betas and Alphas, Gearheads and Dylans, Outcasts and Underdogs, Olympians and Goobers, practically the entire roster from the school. All united by one simple coincidence, a D or G on the powers classification line of their MIDs
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So according to the introductory text concerning the Worn Wrench, gotta be Devisors or Gadgeteers, not just techheads.
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| Re: Gadgeteers vs person with high intelligence/mental exemplar [message #54338 is a reply to message #54337 ] |
Sat, 25 February 2012 11:21 |
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Sir Lee
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| kd7mvs wrote on Sat, 25 February 2012 13:26 | | Even Murphy's Law has Loopholes Chapter 4 | The crowd trickled in by clumps of threes and fives, as diverse as you'd expect from a campus like Whateley. Which, despite it being well past curfew that offered little real obstacle to a group of teenagers as exceptional as these. There were Capes and Masterminds, Betas and Alphas, Gearheads and Dylans, Outcasts and Underdogs, Olympians and Goobers, practically the entire roster from the school. All united by one simple coincidence, a D or G on the powers classification line of their MIDs
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So according to the introductory text concerning the Worn Wrench, gotta be Devisors or Gadgeteers, not just techheads.
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That's a literary construction, not an organization bylaw. It echoes the general perception (even among themselves) of the students in the Engineering track for stylistic purposes. I think you are just reading too much in a quasi-poetic phrasing.
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| Re: Gadgeteers vs person with high intelligence/mental exemplar [message #54350 is a reply to message #54338 ] |
Sat, 25 February 2012 15:57 |
kd7mvs
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| Sir Lee wrote on Sat, 25 February 2012 08:21 | | kd7mvs wrote on Sat, 25 February 2012 13:26 | | Even Murphy's Law has Loopholes Chapter 4 | The crowd trickled in by clumps of threes and fives, as diverse as you'd expect from a campus like Whateley. Which, despite it being well past curfew that offered little real obstacle to a group of teenagers as exceptional as these. There were Capes and Masterminds, Betas and Alphas, Gearheads and Dylans, Outcasts and Underdogs, Olympians and Goobers, practically the entire roster from the school. All united by one simple coincidence, a D or G on the powers classification line of their MIDs
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So according to the introductory text concerning the Worn Wrench, gotta be Devisors or Gadgeteers, not just techheads.
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That's a literary construction, not an organization bylaw. It echoes the general perception (even among themselves) of the students in the Engineering track for stylistic purposes. I think you are just reading too much in a quasi-poetic phrasing.
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Maybe. Take a look at the write-up on the Worn Wrench, courtesy of E.E. Nalley, in the Wiki and the Canon Materials section of the forum. It explicitly states that they need to be Devisors or Gadgeteers.
Nikki Reilly: Sidhe who must be obeyed!
Goodkind International, The Good Ideas People™
Information wants to be free, and I will be the one who frees it! - Psike
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| Re: Gadgeteers vs person with high intelligence/mental exemplar [message #54358 is a reply to message #54350 ] |
Sat, 25 February 2012 17:36 |
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E. E. Nalley
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Ok, guys, if you're on the engineering track, you have a D or G on your MID. Now, can you take an engineering class or two? Sure. That doesn't give you an Invite to the OOWW. And it's not like you can just 'sit in' on the advanced workshop classes.
It would be like trying to sit in a quantum mechanics class without having taken Calculus, Geometry, or Algebra on the math side or any of the Newtonian/Einstein physics courses on the science side. Can you? Sure, but they won't even sound like they're speaking English. You just don't have the grounding to follow the subject matter.
Now, if what you're REALLY asking is will Jade sleaze her way into the OOWW by pretending to be a devisor? That's a plot point, wait and see.
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| Re: Gadgeteers vs person with high intelligence/mental exemplar [message #54364 is a reply to message #54362 ] |
Sat, 25 February 2012 18:14 |
Laudator
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| Sir Lee wrote on Sat, 25 February 2012 23:04 | Actually I was thinking about Kaiju. She is acknowledged as an authentic genius in electronics, and seems to be generally accepted as "one of our own" in the Workshop; even Knick-Knack respects her. But she is not technically a gadgeteer or a devisor. Excluding her seems... harsh.
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Or Techwolf, since he doesn't have mutant powers, he's just a guy under a curse.
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| Re: Gadgeteers vs person with high intelligence/mental exemplar [message #54367 is a reply to message #54358 ] |
Sat, 25 February 2012 18:29 |
amratner
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| E. E. Nalley wrote on Sat, 25 February 2012 17:36 | Ok, guys, if you're on the engineering track, you have a D or G on your MID. Now, can you take an engineering class or two? Sure. That doesn't give you an Invite to the OOWW. And it's not like you can just 'sit in' on the advanced workshop classes.
It would be like trying to sit in a quantum mechanics class without having taken Calculus, Geometry, or Algebra on the math side or any of the Newtonian/Einstein physics courses on the science side. Can you? Sure, but they won't even sound like they're speaking English. You just don't have the grounding to follow the subject matter.
Now, if what you're REALLY asking is will Jade sleaze her way into the OOWW by pretending to be a devisor? That's a plot point, wait and see.
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Actually, since her MID lists her as a devisor, and she is taking workshop, why wouldn't she be included?
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